I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 
nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces applied by 
a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely survive a 
seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the hydraulic 
degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left as written 
before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system.

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> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. 
> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not apply 
> to the use of street l fittings. 
> 
> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any 1/2" 
> fitting.  
> 
> 
> Forest Wilson
> Fire Sprinkler Contractor
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> 
> Date:01/17/2014  5:33 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows 
> 
> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing 
> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily 
> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't have 
> them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, bronze, 
> and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. Very 
> common for industrial boiler application.
> 
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>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an earthquake 
>> zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may be a 
>> concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under the 
>> same category. 
>> 
>> Todd G Williams, PE
>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>> Stonington, CT
>> www.fpdc.com
>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you can
>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the
>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a
>>>> upright to pendant conversion project.
>>>> 
>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to
>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense,
>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings
>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in
>>>> pipe size.
>>>> 
>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE
>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>>>>> Stonington, CT
>>>>> www.fpdc.com
>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't seem to
>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them.  I have a tight squeeze where a 1"
>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make sure I'm
>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 edition.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET
>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer
>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc.
>>>>>> 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222
>>>>>> O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111
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