Steve, I don't think I really understand alot of how they get there. I didn't mean no offense, I just think the guys on this email service seem to talk alot about things that got nothing to do with us 'hangin and bangin' or 'playin connect the dots'. I guess I jumped in and asked a bunch of technical guys so I should have been ready for the responses. Its just that things like Newton's Rule #3 and 'directors +' seems like a long way from sprinkler work.
Sencerely, Antony S Palmero On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > Tony: > > What theoretical mumbo-jumbo do you think the code development community > is relying on? I would offer that nearly all of the substantive changes > to the NFPA standards - at least on the committees I've served - are > empirical. Full-scale fire tests are used exclusively for storage > occupancy protection schemes and sprinkler listings. Product tests and > performance data is the basis for much of the design criteria we take for > granted and is especially important to the inspection, testing and > maintenance standard and also to best practices for commissioning and > acceptance testing. In fact, there isn't much room at all for > "theoretical mumbo-jumbo" at any level of code development. > > Respectfully, > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > The preceding is my opinion only ... etc., etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] on behalf of Tony > Palmero > Sent: Mon 3/24/2014 7:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: heat collector vs heat director > > Dr Greenman and all the rest, > > My girlfriend should not be dragged into your jokes about Italians. Yeah, > I know, it was my mistake for bringing it up. But really, you don't want > me to call my guy.... if you know what I'm sayin. > > As for all the other directors and collectors crap, we really should just > apply the rules and leave the theoretical mumbo-jumbo to the group that > writes the code. Even if they don't always use numbers from data and > stuff, it seems to me that they are doing pretty good work. It's gotta be > like a hundred years they been doin' it, right? > > Well 5am comes early here in Camden, so have a great evening. > > Anthony S Palmero > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM, rongreenman . <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > From a quick interweb search: > > > > This slang term probably originates from the Italian word compare (or the > > Sicilian cognate, "cumpari", both akin to Spanish compadre), which was > > already (and still is) used in south Italy abbreviated in cumpà and > > literally means "friend" and it is used colloquially mainly to address > > people living in the same town. This, changed through the Italo-American > > tendency to substitute g's for c's and b's for p's in colloquial speech, > > yields "goombah." > > > > Also talked about it being a term for girlfriend or mistress and that it > > was most commonly used in the NE. So maybe Mrs. Palmero is the goombah, > not > > Tony, but by the way he writes it certainly seems to put him somewhere > > between Boston and Philly. > > > > Disclaimer: As redattore capo of the Greenman Dictionary I must disclose > > that this is someone else's opinion of derivation and usage. Growing up > in > > the Temescal District of Oakland ( > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temescal,_Oakland,_California) I never > heard > > the term until Scorsese and Coppola. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reed A. Roisum, C.E.T. < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Could you submit the Greenman Dictionary entry for "goombah"? > > > > > > Reed A. Roisum, C.E.T. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection > > > Designer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: 701.388.1352 | > > > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > > rongreenman . > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:28 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: heat collector vs heat director > > > > > > From the Greenman Dictionary--Only Edition > > > > > > Heat Collector-noun > > > 1. A ceiling > > > 2. A ceiling > > > 3. A ceiling > > > > > > From the Thesaurus > > > > > > Heat Collect--syn: A ceiling > > > ant: Anything else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Brad Casterline < > > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Right Roland, thanks--- yesterday I said this: > > > > "We would need 2 'baffles', in a "+" shape, to account for the > > > > direction the jet is moving when it gets to the head/director". > > > > And I am not even going to model more than 6" below a 16" deep > > director! > > > > > > > > I am not selling these things by the way :) > > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Roland Huggins [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:18 AM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: heat collector vs heat director > > > > > > > > what Mark said. There are far more failure modes than successful > > > > modes for such an arrangement. What about when the fire is offset > but > > > > parallel to the director? A 1 mm wide director has a significantly > > > > reduced capacity. > > > > Additionally there is an inherit limit on how far below the ceiling > > > > the director will work. At a certain point the buoyancy exceeds the > > > > momentum and the downward flow curls back up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering > > > > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves > > Lives > > > > Dallas, TX > > > > http://www.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: heat collectors don't exist and should be shunned at > > > > > their > > > > first mention in virtually all settings. 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