the 13 committee rejected attempts to add a max shadowed area similar to 13R 
because it was too RESTRICTIVE.


Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
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> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> Thanks, I found it in the 2013 ROC, comment 13-143.  Its a shame, because
> it sounds like they agreed but didn't like the backwall part for some other
> reason.  McPhee's commentary in 13-135 would have made the appendix
> language include areas behind sidewalls, but without something like that, I
> have an AHJ basically telling me that this scenario is only allowed in a
> 13R installation.  My indentations aren't even as severe as those shown,
> they're only 12" deep by 5 feet wide!  Oh well, I guess have something to
> submit next cycle now.
> 
> 
> Benjamin Young
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Larry Keeping <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> The illustration that was first submitted for their consideration, was
>> adjusted by the Technical Committee before it was accepted for addition
>> into NFPA 13. The original submission showed a 9 ft wide by 2 ft deep entry
>> vestibule on both sides of the corridor. I believe that when the figure was
>> revised the "2 ft 0 in. max." should have been edited out.
>> 
>> Larry Keeping
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
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>> Sent: April-23-15 12:01 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Corridor shadow areas
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there's an error with figure A.8.1.1(3)(a) in the 2013
>> edition of NFPA 13?
>> There appears to be an extraneous bit at the bottom that says '2 ft 0in.
>> max'
>> 
>> It looks like this is a holdover from a modification made to figure
>> 6.4.6.3.3.2 in the 2013 edition of NFPA 13R.
>> 
>> I'm wondering if the bottom of the figure accidentally got chopped off in
>> the 13 version of the figure, and that the shadow areas behind the
>> sidewalls in a hallway are allowed in a 13 system as well as a 13R system.
>> 
>> I checked the 2016 first and second draft reports but didn't see any
>> comments or proposals regarding this, though.
>> 
>> Is this just wishful thinking on my part, or did someone goof up when they
>> put the figure in?
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Benjamin Young
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