The operative term....."the annex". If I had my druthers there would be no more annex which unfortunately is used to insert things under the cover of the standard that otherwise aren't part of the standard. We tell AHJ's that they cannot cite the annex yet on a routine basis we have architects, engineers, technicians, owners doing just that. Either put the language, diagrams, tables etc. in the standard or place them in a handbook or commentary.
PS, put a tab in the standard where the annex starts and you will see half of the book is annex material so were paying for that too. Travis, not directed at you, just commentary in general. John Drucker, CET Assistant Construction Official Fire Protection Subcode Official Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: porte cochere Well that clears up the intent right there pretty much. It's interesting because the annex for the 2013 says that vehicles that are temporarily parked shall not be considered storage. It also states that transient storage such as that for delivered packages, planters or newspaper machines, etc..shall not be considered storage... That has been used in the areas where they determine the porte cochere to be LH. Yet, areas where they want it as OH say that it is like a parking garage. However, it seems the confusion has been cleared up for sure. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected] http://www.mfpdesign.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign On 11/3/2015 10:26 AM, Tom Wellen wrote: > Fresh on the mind from a 2016 NFPA 13 update seminar - see new items 10 and 11 below: > > A.5.3.1 Ordinary hazard (Group 1) occupancies include occupancies > having uses and conditions similar to the following: > (1) Automobile parking and showrooms > (2) Bakeries > (3) Beverage manufacturing > (4) Canneries > (5) Dairy products manufacturing and processing > (6) Electronic plants > (7) Glass and glass products manufacturing > (8) Laundries > (9) Restaurant service areas > (10) Porte cocheres > (11) Mechanical rooms > > > Tom Wellen - AFSA > >> On Nov 3, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Steve Mackinnon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> OH1 here... >> >> Steven MacKinnon >> Fire Protection Division >> Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. >> 850 South Second Street >> Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 >> Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Travis Mack, SET >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: porte cochere >> >> What density do you guys design these structures to? LH or OH1? I've seen them done by ways, and just looking for some backing for either way. >> >> -- >> Travis Mack, SET >> MFP Design, LLC >> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >> 480-505-9271 >> fax: 866-430-6107 >> email:[email protected] >> >> http://www.mfpdesign.com >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> ler.org _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> ler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
