We had them designed in, the Owner / Builder pitched a fit when our field guys starting drilling holes in has walls. I sent him a copy of the relevant page out of the IBC but his retort was, that he had never had to do it before. My answer to him tomorrow is, just because everyone else does it wrong doesn't mean we're going to.
Richard L. Mote CET Design Manager Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. P 570-837-7647 or 877-324-ROWE F 570-837-6335 [email protected] *** Confidentiality Notice *** This email and any attachments thereto may contain information that is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at [email protected] or by telephone at 570-837-7647 and delete the message and any attachments permanently from your system. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Covered patios and decks in 13R What Pete said. Slap a dry sidewall under those decks and be done with it. Sell sprinklers! Sell, sell, sell ... SL -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Covered patios and decks in 13R I am assuming that you are on the 2009 IBC. The code takes precedence over the standard. The sprinklers are required. 102.4 Referenced codes and standards. The codes and standards referenced in this code shall be considered part of the requirements of this code to the prescribed extent of each such reference. Where differences occur between provisions of this code and referenced codes and standards, the provisions of this code shall apply. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com We're hiring great people at all of our locations! Please check out our website for the details! -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Mote Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Covered patios and decks in 13R We have a project, a four unit apartment / condo which consists of two double stacked units. On one side of each 1st floor units is a little 2'-8" deep balcony that sticks out between the 1st and 2nd floors creating a really small covered patio on the first floor. The builder doesn't want to install sprinklers under these on the 1st floor. 13R doesn't address decks or balconies that I can find. But IBC 2009 (current in effect in PA) 903.3.1.2.1 says I have to provide sprinkler protection for exterior balconies, decks and ground floor patios, and doesn't give a minimum size. Should I just tell the builder he has to have them? Or is there a way out of it that I'm not seeing (he claims he has never had to do it before). The current addition of NFPA 13 in effect in PA is 2007. Richard L. Mote CET Design Manager Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. P 570-837-7647 or 877-324-ROWE F 570-837-6335 [email protected] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
