Hard to say what EOR decided was need for the new cancer center. We had a 500 
gpm pump that could not meet 150% capacity (barely got 100% before the pressure 
dropped to 0 psi) during the annual tests. Building owner hired an engineer and 
his solution was to replace the pump with  a new 750 gpm version. I politely 
asked him how a 750 gpm pump would work where there wasn't enough water to 
supply a 500 gpm pump. All he could say was the 750 gpm would provide more 
water.

Mike Hill


-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Oversized fire pump

Meeting demand is not an issue for sprinklers. Not sure about standpipes but 
demand Dow would be no more than 1000 gpm.
Interesting side note: this pump replaced a 1000 gpm at 100 psi which would 
have worked fine with the water. Anecdotally, this pump was upsize because it 
was needed for the new 2 story cancer treatment center(?)

Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Richard Carr <[email protected]> wrote:
You can flow 126% of rated capacity, may not be a problem if you are meeting 
your system demand.

Richard Carr, SET
Branch Manager
Cox Fire Protection, Inc
6555 Grace Lane.
Jacksonville, Fl. 32205
[email protected]
904-781-8227


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Richard Carr
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Oversized fire pump

Do you know what the system demand is?

Richard Carr, SET
Branch Manager
Cox Fire Protection, Inc
6555 Grace Lane.
Jacksonville, Fl. 32205
[email protected]
904-781-8227


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Oversized fire pump

The water supply goes to 0 at roughly 1900 gpm

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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Michael Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you have positive pressure when testing for 150% capacity?


Mike Hill

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Oversized fire pump

That might be a little too low pressure for the water company.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO

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913.526.7443 cell
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-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Richard Carr
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Oversized fire pump

If you maintaining 18 psi on the suction side with the pump running, why would 
you do anything?

Richard Carr, SET
Branch Manager
Cox Fire Protection, Inc
6555 Grace Lane.
Jacksonville, Fl. 32205
[email protected]
904-781-8227

-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Oversized fire pump

How about a suction control valve?

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO

913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.526.7443 cell
www. AFPsprink.com



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Oversized fire pump

I am working on a facility with a fire pump that was oversized for the 
available public water supply. The pump is 1500 gpm at 85 psi. At 1500 gpm, the 
suction pressure drops to 18 psi. This is characteristic of the water supply 
and is not due to a shut valve or other obstruction. The pump was installed in 
2009.
Are
there any safeguards that I should recommend for this situation?

Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT
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