How many clouds?
I ask because technically sprinklers are not required under them. You stated 
3'-6"..

R/
Matt

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Behalf Of Nicky Marshall
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:30 PM
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Subject: Cloud ceilings & sprinklers in gaps

I would appreciate if anyone has some thoughts on this arrangement:

~4m (13ft) high roof, ~3.5m (11.5 ft) high ceiling.  Both slope 3 degrees.
The 'ceiling' is to be made up of many Autex acoustic panels 1.1 x 2.3m (3.6 x 
7.5 ft), non-combustible, suspended with 50mm (2 in) gaps around them.
There will be sprinklers in the roof space because there are cable trays with 
loads of combustible cables.
They architect wants to put the sprinklers in the 50mm gaps to avoid cutting 
holes in the acoustic panels.

Whilst we are designing to NZS 4541, this code is silent on cloud ceilings or 
anything like this, so I am looking for guidance from other sources.
I note NFPA 13:2016 clause 8.15.24 gives some guidance and it seems to indicate 
our ceiling arrangement would not require sprinklers above the clouds or have 
any specific sprinkler location requirements.
I am also aware of the Fire Protection Research Foundation report on cloud 
ceilings.  This seemed to suggest that each cloud must have its own sprinkler - 
but doesn't test with such small gaps - and recommends further study in this 
area where coverage can be achieved without sprinklers in every cloud.

Three questions:
Are the gaps small enough to just call this a ceiling - not a cloud ceiling 
(what size gap affects the plume flow enough to make a difference)?
Is it acceptable to locate the sprinklers within the small gaps, or will this 
location significantly affect their operation?
Do we have to cumulatively flow sprinklers above and below the ceiling, or 
since NFPA permits this arrangement to not have roof space sprinklers 
(suggesting heat flow into this space is not significant?), this would not be 
required?

Kind regards

Nicky Marshall
Southern Regional Manager
PROTECH DESIGN LIMITED
Specialist Fire Protection Consultants
Phone: +64 (0)3 579 5577  Mobile: +64 (0)21 433 488  Email: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>  Skype: 
nicky-marshall Web:www.protechdesign.co.nz
Address:105A Alabama Rd, Redwoodtown, Blenheim 7201, NZ Postal: PO Box 4022, 
Redwood Village, Blenheim 7242, New Zealand

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