Let it all hang out Roland! I hear your frustration and I think it is a result of trying to do too much with one book.
And what is this "...installation TC"..., ?.?.?.-- when did the title of 13 change from ~installation of sprinkler systems~ to ~design and installation of sprinkler systems~? Brad . On Jan 12, 2017 11:38 AM, "Roland Huggins" <[email protected]> wrote: > I find it amusing that the guidance for the wall mounted soffit for which > the top of it is LOCATED MORE THAN 18 INCHES BELOW THE DEFLECTOR is in the > section that addresses obstruction close to the ceiling (aka the top is > above the deflector). This should be in 8.6.5.3. Maybe its meant to > balance 8.6.5.3.2 criteria for obstructions greater 48 inches that are less > than 18 inches below the deflector. > > Yea my frustration is getting to me since I’ve tried multiple times to get > the Installation TC to pay attention to where things are placed - Location > has Meaning. WE should see some improvement in the 2019 regarding this > somewhat important philosophy. > > Roland > > > Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. > Dallas, TX > http://www.firesprinkler.org > > Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > > > > > On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Mike Stossel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can you use the soffit against the wall rule from NFPA 13, 2013 > *8.6.5.1.2* *Sprinklers shall be arranged to comply with one of the > following arrangements: > (1) Subsection 8.5.5.2, Table 8.6.5.1.2, and Figure 8.6.5.1.2(a) shall be > followed. > (2) Sprinklers shall be permitted to be spaced on opposite sides of > obstructions not exceeding 4 ft (1.2 m) in width, provided the distance > from the centerline of the obstruction to the sprinklers does not exceed > one-half the allowable distance permitted between sprinklers. > (3) Obstructions located against the wall and that are not over 30 in. > (762 mm) in width shall be permitted to be protected in accordance with > Figure 8.6.5.1.2(b). > (4) Obstructions located against the wall and that are not over 24 in. > (610 mm) in width shall be permitted to be protected in accordance with > Figure 8.6.5.1.2(c). The maximum distance between the sprinkler and the wall > shall be measured from the sprinkler to the wall behind the obstruction > and not to the face of the obstruction. > *A.8.6.5.1.2 *The intent of 8.6.5.1.2(3) is to apply to soffits that are > located within the 18 in. (457 mm) plane from the sprinkler deflector. A > soffit or other obstruction (i.e., shelf) located against a wall that is > located entirely below the 18 in. (457 mm) plane from the sprinkler > deflector should be in accordance with 8.6.5.3.3. *(See Figure > A.8.6.5.1.2.)* > > > Mike Stossel *SET* > [image: 400dpiLogoCropped] > 36 Barren Road > East Stroudsburg, PA 18302 > Office: 973-670-2627 <(973)%20670-2627> > [email protected] > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of > *rongreenman > . > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:00 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Funky Wavy Soffit > > No. I got up on the wrong side of the bed and that's a face plant into a a > rough cedar wall. still pulling out splinters, Brian. But do you get my > point? You may be looking at the reference numbers in the 2007 edition > where you are and I'm looking at 2013 and the numbers don't match. I always > tell my people to make it easy for customers to give you their money and > that advice applies here. When you're asking for free help and looking for > code references to argue a point make it easy for the other Forumites to > help you. I now when I pull out the book to help and 8.6.5.3 is not the > 48" rule because you're using a different edition than I am, then I'm done > looking, but tell me the edition you are using and I can pull out almost > anything back to '68 (I'm missing a couple). I think Leyton can tell you I > was able to get him a reference to a building built in maybe '74 that > hadn't changed use and saved his client a pile of dough that someone who > the Wizard had just bestowed a golden badge upon wanted spent. > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Brian Harris <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ron- > You want my address? > > *Brian Harris, CET* > BVS Systems Inc. > bvssytemsinc.com <http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *rongreenman . > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:43 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Funky Wavy Soffit > > I think that whenever someone posts a reference number and doesn't include > the text or at least the edition he should be severely beaten. > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Brian Harris <[email protected]> > wrote: > We have a grocery store that has a wavy kinda soffit (see dropbox file > link below) around the perimeter of most of the store. The top of this > soffit is approximately 5’0” below the overhead sprinklers & is less than > 48” at the widest points. With that being said are additional heads needed > in this lower soffit? In my opinion 8.6.5.2 would not apply since the > pattern development is not affected so the next stop would be 8.6.5.3. The > only thing that stands out to me there would be the 48” width we I do not > have. So I say no additional heads needed below, what say you? > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/3klcgh37fhowmp8/Wavy%20Soffit.pdf?dl=0 > > *Brian Harris, CET* > BVS Systems Inc. > Design Manager > bvssystemsinc.com > Phone: 704.896.9989 <(704)%20896-9989> > Fax: 704.896.1935 <(704)%20896-1935> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > > [email protected] > > 253.576.9700 <(253)%20576-9700> > > The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner > Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera > director (1942-) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > > [email protected] > > 253.576.9700 <(253)%20576-9700> > > The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner > Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera > director (1942-) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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