If less than 2 in 12 then it's flat, not sloped. On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Brian Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
> If memory serves me correctly you can slope uphill if the pitch does not > exceed 2:12 > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssytemsinc.com <http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:18 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > I always thought it was cross slope and down, but never up. Has that > changed? > > Travis Mack, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > 480-505-9271 <(480)%20505-9271> > > fax: 866-430-6107 <(866)%20430-6107> > > email:[email protected] > > > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > > On 3/7/2017 9:17 AM, Steve Leyton wrote: > > I didn’t get that impression at all, so perhaps it’s still a little too > obscure. Is it the intent that residential sidewalls can be arranged so > they discharge cross-slope and up-slope? I don’t think so … > > > > SML > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Matt > Grise > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 8:11 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > Steve, > > > > I got the impression NFPA13d 2016 8.1.1 was meant to deal with both > pendant and sidewall sprinklers. The picture shows only pendants, but it is > in a section separate from the pendant/sidewall positioning sections. > Section 10.2 also makes several references to general and sidewall spacing > under slopes. > > > > Also – the tyco listings previously had multiple diagrams showing how to > position residential sidewalls under sloped ceilings. Those were removed > after the 13R/D code language was changed to the generalized description of > heads under slopes. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Leyton > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 9:44 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > Sloped ceiling? Can a sidewall be oriented so it discharges down-slope? > > > > You comment sent me scurrying to our tech data library and also to NFPA > 13D and 13. Both standards are mute regarding the positioning of > residential horizontal sidewall sprinklers on/under sloped ceilings. > Viking tech data sheets say to refer to the appropriate standard. Tyco > says their RHSW sprinklers can be used under sloped ceilings but no > specific positioning criteria is offered. If we use the spray sprinkler > criteria, the sprinklers have to be oriented so they are placed at the peak > of a sloped ceiling and spray downward. > > > > Am I missing something somewhere regarding RHSW sprinklers and sloped > ceilings? > > Steve L. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Mote > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:18 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > This a sloped ceiling area, with the ceiling being attached directly to > the underside of the joists. No space to run pendants in a conditioned area. > > > > *Richard Mote* > > Design Manager > > [image: http://www.rowesprinkler.com/emailsig/Email_Sig_Logo.jpg] > > *P:* 570.837.7647 <(570)%20837-7647> · *W:* 877.324.ROWE · *F:* > 570.837.6335 <(570)%20837-6335> > > PO Box 407 · 7993 US Route 522, Suite 1 · Middleburg, PA 17842 > > *RoweSprinkler.com *· [email protected] > > > > *** Confidentiality Notice *** > > This email and any attachments thereto may contain information that is > privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the > addressee. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by e-mail at *[email protected] > <[email protected]>* or by telephone at *570-837-7647 > <(570)%20837-7647>* and delete the message and any attachments > permanently from your system. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Matt > Grise > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 8:56 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > Pendant sprinkler? > > > > Matt > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Mote > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 7:50 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Cabinets Against a Wall > > > > NFPA 13D, 2017 (the edition currently in force in PA) 8.2.5.6.3 Where > sidewall sprinklers are more than 3 ft. above the top of cabinets, the > sprinkler shall be permitted to be installed on the wall above the cabinets > where the cabinets are no greater than 12 in. from the wall. > > > > We have a case that meets all of the above criteria except for a 2” wide > crown molding around the top of the cabinets, so the overall width is 14” > around the top of the cabinet. Obvious solution is put the sprinkler on the > other end of the room, however that wall is a rated wall with a > un-conditioned space on the other side. > > Any sugestions? > > > > > > *Richard Mote* > > Design Manager > > [image: http://www.rowesprinkler.com/emailsig/Email_Sig_Logo.jpg] > > *P:* 570.837.7647 <(570)%20837-7647> · *W:* 877.324.ROWE · *F:* > 570.837.6335 <(570)%20837-6335> > > PO Box 407 · 7993 US Route 522, Suite 1 · Middleburg, PA 17842 > > *RoweSprinkler.com *· [email protected] > > > > *** Confidentiality Notice *** > > This email and any attachments thereto may contain information that is > privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the > addressee. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. 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