All, I was asking the question based on information given me by one of my
trainee designers (I was also showing him how to use the forum since I'm not
always going to be around). Dug into it a little further and I think we have
solved the problem.
As far as the crown molding is concerned, it a basically an reverse ogee
molding installed on the face of the cabinet, sticks out 2" and is 2" down on
the face of the cabinet, sort of like this |/.
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And in reality the head would be almost 6' above the top of the cabinet in this
scenario. Viking makes a Residential sprinkler that works well for spraying
down the slope, which is what this installation would require.
http://www.vikingcorp.com/vk486-residential-horizontal-sidewall-sprinkler-k40
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Semantics..... :)
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Yes, but that is considered flat for NFPA purposes so there is no up or down
slope in a "flat" ceiling :-)
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On 3/7/2017 9:19 AM, Brian Harris wrote:
If memory serves me correctly you can slope uphill if the pitch does not exceed
2:12
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I always thought it was cross slope and down, but never up. Has that changed?
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On 3/7/2017 9:17 AM, Steve Leyton wrote:
I didn't get that impression at all, so perhaps it's still a little too
obscure. Is it the intent that residential sidewalls can be arranged so they
discharge cross-slope and up-slope? I don't think so ...
SML
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Steve,
I got the impression NFPA13d 2016 8.1.1 was meant to deal with both pendant and
sidewall sprinklers. The picture shows only pendants, but it is in a section
separate from the pendant/sidewall positioning sections. Section 10.2 also
makes several references to general and sidewall spacing under slopes.
Also - the tyco listings previously had multiple diagrams showing how to
position residential sidewalls under sloped ceilings. Those were removed after
the 13R/D code language was changed to the generalized description of heads
under slopes.
Matt
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Sloped ceiling? Can a sidewall be oriented so it discharges down-slope?
You comment sent me scurrying to our tech data library and also to NFPA 13D and
13. Both standards are mute regarding the positioning of residential
horizontal sidewall sprinklers on/under sloped ceilings. Viking tech data
sheets say to refer to the appropriate standard. Tyco says their RHSW
sprinklers can be used under sloped ceilings but no specific positioning
criteria is offered. If we use the spray sprinkler criteria, the sprinklers
have to be oriented so they are placed at the peak of a sloped ceiling and
spray downward.
Am I missing something somewhere regarding RHSW sprinklers and sloped ceilings?
Steve L.
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This a sloped ceiling area, with the ceiling being attached directly to the
underside of the joists. No space to run pendants in a conditioned area.
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On
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Pendant sprinkler?
Matt
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NFPA 13D, 2017 (the edition currently in force in PA) 8.2.5.6.3 Where sidewall
sprinklers are more than 3 ft. above the top of cabinets, the sprinkler shall
be permitted to be installed on the wall above the cabinets where the cabinets
are no greater than 12 in. from the wall.
We have a case that meets all of the above criteria except for a 2" wide crown
molding around the top of the cabinets, so the overall width is 14" around the
top of the cabinet. Obvious solution is put the sprinkler on the other end of
the room, however that wall is a rated wall with a un-conditioned space on the
other side.
Any sugestions?
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