We run into this periodically. Those in that position don't often last
too long because if they treat their customers (contractors and design
professionals) in that manner, they are usually causing other problems
in the workplace that doesn't allow them to stay in their position for
too long.
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On 5/8/2017 7:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I can not stand nor do I tolerate an inspector who states "you shall
because I say so". They do this because they stand behind a badge
while having very little knowledge, or respect, for the codes that
stand behind them. It's an abuse of power, it's ignorance of the codes
and ego.
Don't stand for it!
MHO
Owen Evans
Former municipal plan check inspector, now designer and consultant.
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On May 8, 2017, at 10:27 AM, rongreenman . <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So it seems that once again because we aren't part of the initial
design process, experts on the interealtion of building/life safety
systems at a detail level far above the that of most architects and
engineers are not consulted until a plan is finalized. Sad.
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:33 AM Steve Leyton
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
One of our local AHJ’s observed that there are UL listed
assemblies for floor ceiling assemblies and that the addition of
insulation in fact voids the listing of some that aren’t
insulated (remember, this is sunny CA). So for plans submitted
to that particular agency, we not only have to pick between the
3,000 sq. ft. (or 8-sprinkler) design area or using insulation.
In the case of the latter, they want a detail of the
floor-ceiling and/or roof-ceiling assembly showing the insulation
AND the UL listing number for the assembly. On the sprinkler plans.
At first, we were frustrated because they hadn’t codified this
and we were just getting back plan review comments. But I see
why they’re doing it and I agree with this practice.
Steve L.
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[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *John Drucker
*Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2017 9:29 AM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: special inspections
Ahhh I was waiting for that question. Because it's in the
sprinkler standard, noted on the sprinkler plans by the sprinkler
designer, and often the architect nor engineer know the sprinkler
designer took that option, or it conflicts with the architects
design.
As a result we deny such applications unless the insulation fill
is also shown on the architectural plans. In New Jersey it is
also an adopted regulation that any plans, shop drawings etc
prepared by other than the principal designer have to be reviewed
and approved by the principal designer with an accompanying
letter at the time of submission to that affect. Often enough we
get back from the principal designer that the method submitted by
others is not approved.
On May 8, 2017 12:14 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Seems to me that if the architect or GC wants to fill the space
with insulation instead of sprinkle ring it's between him and the
insulator to get it right. If the AHJ wants to get involved then
OK, but with them. If you don't put in sprinklers because
insulation has been approved what business is it of the sprinkler
guy?
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:54 AM John Drucker - Home
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Members,
When an interstitial space is filled entirely with
non-combustible insulation we coordinate with the contractor
and perform the inspection ourselves.
John
John Drucker, CET
Assistant Construction Official
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Electrical Subcode Official
Building Inspector
Borough of Red Bank
Red Bank, New Jersey
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