So it seems that once again because we aren't part of the initial design process, experts on the interealtion of building/life safety systems at a detail level far above the that of most architects and engineers are not consulted until a plan is finalized. Sad. On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:33 AM Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of our local AHJ’s observed that there are UL listed assemblies for > floor ceiling assemblies and that the addition of insulation in fact voids > the listing of some that aren’t insulated (remember, this is sunny CA). > So for plans submitted to that particular agency, we not only have to pick > between the 3,000 sq. ft. (or 8-sprinkler) design area or using > insulation. In the case of the latter, they want a detail of the > floor-ceiling and/or roof-ceiling assembly showing the insulation AND the > UL listing number for the assembly. On the sprinkler plans. > > > > At first, we were frustrated because they hadn’t codified this and we were > just getting back plan review comments. But I see why they’re doing it and > I agree with this practice. > > > > Steve L. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *John > Drucker > *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2017 9:29 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: special inspections > > > > Ahhh I was waiting for that question. Because it's in the sprinkler > standard, noted on the sprinkler plans by the sprinkler designer, and often > the architect nor engineer know the sprinkler designer took that option, or > it conflicts with the architects design. > > > > As a result we deny such applications unless the insulation fill is also > shown on the architectural plans. In New Jersey it is also an adopted > regulation that any plans, shop drawings etc prepared by other than the > principal designer have to be reviewed and approved by the principal > designer with an accompanying letter at the time of submission to that > affect. Often enough we get back from the principal designer that the > method submitted by others is not approved. > > On May 8, 2017 12:14 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote: > > Seems to me that if the architect or GC wants to fill the space with > insulation instead of sprinkle ring it's between him and the insulator to > get it right. If the AHJ wants to get involved then OK, but with them. If > you don't put in sprinklers because insulation has been approved what > business is it of the sprinkler guy? > > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:54 AM John Drucker - Home < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Members, > > When an interstitial space is filled entirely with non-combustible > insulation we coordinate with the contractor and perform the inspection > ourselves. > > John > > John Drucker, CET > Assistant Construction Official > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Electrical Subcode Official > Building Inspector > Borough of Red Bank > Red Bank, New Jersey > Email: [email protected] > Cell/Text: 732-904-6823 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > -- > > Sent from Gmail Mobile > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
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