I felt the same way but the codes indicates differently. It
is specifically limited to apartment buildings and in all 3 codes. It takes
a little work to get through IBC. NFPA 1(2015)13.3.2.17.7 & 101: 30.3.5.7
exempts sprinklers. The key is the approved separation between occupancies.
We use IBC & NFPA with the NFPA Codes taking precedence.
Just a consideration.
Dick
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On Behalf Of Pete Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system
Dick
I have to disagree with you. If there is a residential occupancy in a
building, a sprinkler system shall be provided throughout the building.
Pete
903.2.8 Group R. An automatic sprinkler system
installed in accordance with Section 903.3 shall be provided
throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area.
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I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you?
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system
I have not seen this put out there. Does the parking area meet the
definition of an "open" parking structure in accordance with NFPA 88A, if so
NFPA 101, NFPA 1 and IBC do not require protection under apartment
buildings. The architect has to maintain the proper horizontal separation.
Dick
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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:55 PM
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For whatever it's worth, we anticipated this in California and made
amendments to NFPA 13D and also the building code that address open carports
with living space above. Obviously, the requirement is to furnish
sprinklers.
Steve
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From: Rocci Cetani 3 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Date: 8/28/17 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system
The problem is there is no definition for carport so it leave it open to
personal interpretation.. I did a quick search and most of the definitions
I can find say this or something similar "a shelter for a car consisting
of a roof supported on posts, built beside a house". I always think of
carports as covered parking usually in front of the building. I wouldn't
feel comfortable omitting sprinklers from a parking area below an occupied
multi-tenant space.
Rocci Cetani III, CET
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Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc.
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Rocco,
But could it fall under the definition of a carport and be excluded per
6.6.5?
Todd G Williams, PE
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On Aug 28, 2017 at 9:25 AM, <Rocci Cetani 3 <mailto:[email protected]> >
wrote:
Since its doesn't fall under the definition of garages per 7.3.2 you are
directed to 7.2. We had this situation a few months ago on a project and
protected it per NFPA 13 OH 1 for parking garages.
Rocci Cetani III, CET
Senior Designer
Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III
Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc.
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:30 AM
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Subject: Parking under 13R system
I am looking at a 3 story apartment building that is going to be protected
by a 13R system. Under one wing, the main level will be open for parking
with 2 floors of apartments above. 13R addresses garages but not open (on 2
sides) parking areas. A number of years ago, I did a similar arrangement,
but it was a 13 system and the space was protected by a dry system. Thought
on if sprinklers are required?
I know there was a thread or 2 about this, but only found the one about
sprinklers under train tracks.
Todd G Williams, PE
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