Gents, I am bidding out a design for an NFPA 13 R system and could use some 
technical advise. Any idea as to who may be able to assist?
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Just a guess (perhaps educated but a guess nonetheless) but I'd think any flow 
whatsoever from the non-flowing line would be back towards the flowing line and 
only momentarily until everything equalized. If the paddle moves at all it 
would be the wrong direction and the flow switch mechanism would remain in its 
resting position.


Ron Greenman

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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM Fpdcdesign 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is being done per the 2010 edition before that text was added. The only 
requirements I see in that version for a check valve is if you are connecting 
to a combination sprinkler standpipe riser (and if the zone valves are 
interconnected).

My question was more of an operational one as opposed to a Code one. Are two 
flow switches on different branches in close proximity subject to simultaneous 
operation?

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-553-3553 (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)


On Nov 6, 2018 at 3:48 PM, <John Denhardt<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:

I agree. Check valves are required.

John

John August Denhardt, P.E.
Strickland Fire Protection

On Nov 6, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Mike Stossel 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


If I am understanding you question correctly, check valves are required.



8.16.1.5 Floor Control Valve Assemblies.

8.16.1.5.1* Multistory buildings exceeding two stories in height shall be 
provided with a floor control valve, check valve, main drain valve, and flow 
switch for isolation, control, and annunciation of water flow on each floor 
level.



Mike Stossel SET

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36 Barren Road

East Stroudsburg, PA 18302

Office: 973-670-2627

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Subject: Back to back floor controls.



I am working on an existing two story plus attic wood frame building. The 
engineer is requiring zone control assemblies (butterfly valve plus riser 
manifold) for every level including the attic. I have designed it so there is a 
bull head tee at the top of a 4” riser with the assemblies on either side of 
the tee. Given that the flow switches are going to be in close proximity, 
should I install a check valve between the butterfly valve and the manifold?

Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-553-3553 (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)

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