Is the vestibule in the calc area? Can you do multiple calc areas? Does the vestibule qualify for room design?
If it was not in the original calc area can you prove 1500 sq ft where it is? Otherwise a lower ceiling is probably desired over a fire pump. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET Engineering Manager MFP Design <x-apple-data-detectors://2/0>3356 E Vallejo Ct<x-apple-data-detectors://2/0> Gilbert, AZ 85298<x-apple-data-detectors://2/0> 480-505-9271 ext. 700<tel:480-505-9271;700> C: 480-272-2471<tel:480-272-2471> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.mfpdesign.com<http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> on behalf of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 6:52:15 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: John Denhardt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Car Dealerships No other option. 1,500 Sq.Ft. minimum remote area. Any chance adjusting K factors of the sprinklers? *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not to be considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting engineering services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as such.* Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: firesprinkler.org <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/<https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org>> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224<https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/<https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa->> <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/<https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg>> *Our members are at the heart of everything we do* *Enter your apprentices to win a trip to San Antonio!* Deadline to enter to compete in the 28th Annual National Apprentice Competition is April 30, 2021. Don't miss this opportunity to be recognized for your training efforts! *It’s free to enter online at * https://www.firesprinkler.org/competition<https://www.firesprinkler.org/competition> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:48 AM Jamie Seidl via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > I have a small dealership renovation we are designing now. An issue has > come up with the calculations we are having a difficult time solving, and I > wanted to pick the forums collective brain on it. > Looking at the existing system, it appears the original install contractor > utilized the QR reduction in the showroom to reduce the design area. The > renovation calls for increasing the 130 sqft vestibule ceiling height to > 26' from 17'. This essentially eliminates our ability to apply the QR > reduction, and defaults our remote area back to 1500 sqft. Unfortunately, > we don't have the water to make this remote area work anymore. Is anyone > aware of a way to keep the reduced design area? I have been racking my > brain on this, trying to eliminate the need for a pump. > Thanks again forum... > Jamie Seidl > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
