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From: Ho-Sheng Hsiao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SL] Can I have some help please?


> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:18:12AM +0100, Scott Taylor wrote:
> > There are 6 httpd threads running (1 root and 5 scott).
>
> Yeah. You run httpd as root and it SUID into scott.

OK
>
> > I had a previous sql-ledger in /usr/local/www/sql-ledger and only
> > this has a members directory. The current /usr/local/sql-ledger has
> > none...if it should then why hasn't this come from the install?
>
> That tells me that there's something to do with the configuration file
> you haven't disclosed.

If I have left out something from the config file, then I am not aware of
it.
>
> > There is more than one httpd file but I don't think this is a
> > problem because when I run httpd -v it returns the correct apache
> > version.
>
> This is so weird. You mean to tell me that you installed different
> versions of httpd, too? It sounds like you tried to do a custom
> compile of apache (without cleaning up the old copy?). Exactly what
> distro are you using?
>
I had 1.3.23 then 2.0.39, but because of the logrotate problem in RH 7.3 I
had to install latest 1.3.27.

> > Unfortunately, this is a stand alone system and I have nothing to
> > compare it. I really love using SQL Ledger but the installation
> > process is one of the worse I have seen in Linux (I have installed
> > this 3 times over the last year and always have major problems)
>
> By "I really love using SQL Ledger" I can assume you've used
> SQL-ledger before. Was that system working? Would you be able to
> access your friend (?) system and check out how it's set up? Would you
> be able to copy those files and clean out the old stuff?
>
Yes I was using SL with no problems, until I was forced to change my Apache
version because of logrotate. All 3 installs of SL have been on my machine
so there is nothing to compare, because I installed 1.8.7 over the top of
1.8.4 in /usr/local/sql-ledger. I still have 1.8.2 in
/usr/local/www/sql-ledger though.

> Keep in mind that your httpd.conf might be pointing to the copy of
> /usr/local/sql-ledger which has none. Your logs alternate between
> permission denied and a none-existant directory which suggests a
> confusion between those directories. I don't know how you got an
> installation that doesn't have a members directory, though it is
> required if you want to actually use it.
>
If I unpack SL over the top of /usr/local/sql-ledger again would this work?

> As for your comment about the installation process of SQL-ledger and
> linux ... that gets into some deep existential philosophy that
> ultimatey, if you want personal freedom, you pay with personal
> responsibility: Microsoft gets the chum to cough up money because the
> chum thinks he will have his hands held, even if it's not true. If
> you're going to be quirky about it and don't want to pay for it,
> you're on your own.
>
Fair comment

> My persional opinion is that you and computers have bad vibes, and
> they simply refuse to cooperate. The computers prefer being rude, and are
> generally obnoxious to you, but that sounds too wishy-washy for
> something that's ostensibly the pentultimate in logical determinism.
> Even if anthromorphosizing the computer is still true :-)
>
Fair comment.

> Scott, I've seen several people telling you exactly what you can do,
> including the magical ritual of making httpd run under apache:apache,
> (called, 'taking the defaults', especially if you're running a
> well-put-together distro like Redhat or Debian) and I've told you that
> it works for more reasons other than security.  But you're set in your
> ways and assume that there must be some logical way to get what you
> want to do to work -- and there is -- that kind of tinkering is beyond
> the scope of the "basics" and require some empathy (yes, empathy) for
> the computer, in order to grasp the system as a whole. It's the kind
> of stuff that professional people are willing to get paid for. If you
> want, you can ship the computer to my address, and I can fix it up for
> you, including running it under the quirky scott:scott, and I'll send
> it back to you in working order with a bill for $100/hr of my time,
> and shipping costs. I'm sure there's others on this group who's
> willing to do that for much less.
>
On the contrary, I am not set in my ways. Everyone has said that I can run
it as apache, nobody or something else that does not have root permission
because it doesn't matter as long as you are consistent. Having failed under
apache I was merely trying something else.

> Otherwise, you have two options: (1) install a fresh copy of Apache
> (and if you're using redhat, that means doing "rpm -ivh
> apache-packagename.rpm", and if you're using Debian, that means
> "apt-get install httpd" and NOT a custom compile, because it seems to
> me you're not skilled enough for that), running under nobody/nobody or
> apache/apache, and if it STILL doesn't work, and you've exhausted the
> README and the docs, then I'm sure more people will warm up to your
> plight.
>
What makes you think something is wrong with Apache? It is running fine.
Sounds like SL is the problem if there is no members directory. Should I
unpack another file on my SL directory?

Scott

> Or, (2) give up, and run a copy of Quickbooks.
>
> -Qaexl-
>
> http://www.next-horizons.com/qaexl/
>
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