On 3/14/12 1:32 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 03/14/2012 07:04 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote:
>> On 3/13/12 2:55 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, it's
>>> not clear how pubsub service will receive the presence in case of pubsub
>>> (and not presence) subscription.
>> 
>> PEP.
> 
> So the title of the XEP can mislead. The other thing that the same
> problem exists for the regular pubsub so it will be necessary to invent
> the other XEP which solve the same problem other way...

It could be used by non-PEP pubsub, by, for example, sending an ago stanza
in your subscribe, or by translating it into a subscription option.

>>> And again the XEP will have problems with from/to subscription states..
>> 
>> No. PEP.  It only really works with subscription='both'.
>> 
> 
> I *really* can't understand which applications are suitable to solve
> with such PEP restriction except of moods/tunes/etc (but pubsub since is
> completely unnecessary for such applications).

XEP-292.  Both my vCard that you have subscribed to as well as my list of
contacts.  I don't want the client to have to receive all of these vCards
every time they log in, including the base64 avatars.

> The real applications for which the XEP can be useful (i.e.
> microblogging) are needed to be fully compliant with the regular
> presences. So I think that the problem should be solved in future but
> such XEPs only make the solution even harder.

Can you say that another way, please?  I didn't quite understand your point.

> I will be pretty happy to know if I wrong but I did not even hear about
> any applications PEP is needed in the current state.

I mentioned XEP-292 earlier in the thread.

-- 
Joe Hildebrand

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