Hi Barry,
Part of the objective I suggest is to NOT have duplication of function,
menus allowing removal of some parts of Settings panes, like slide bars,
(and providing clarification of what Save means and when, where and how to
do it).
Or perhaps rearrange the panes so that they totally do not or totally do
duplicate menu/keystroke functionality.
Or if not that maybe find some way to provide indication in panes for what
settings are duplicative.
The type of keyboard layout is, today, just a software setting.
Perhaps more of a problem is muddling of keystrokes that start with the
first letter of an English word.
Provided everything else like Help files and Preference panes is in the
native language for a user, though,
would it be acceptable to have menus and their keystroke equivalents
be in English,
and be normally operated with the keyboard set to the same?
A little English is very widely known, and pull-down menus provide a
very ready tutorial for keystroke equivalents.
Yes, there is a problem here.
Maybe duplication within panes does need to be provide so some can avoid the
English.
But one thing for sure is that there is tremendous user interface reach and
power in keystroke equivalents with menus, and not just on laptops.
The words that say it all are "intuitive" and "facile," as in Apple's track
record for software.
Stellarium is missing some (or a lot).
Please read my hopefully now more readable notes.
Ed
On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Barry Gerdes wrote:
> Hi
> Key stroke (key bindings) are very useful. particularly on lap tops although
> not so important on desktops where a mouse works well.
> The biggest problems we have with key bindings is twofold, the number with
> duplicate functions and the use of non USA keyboards. Check through the help
> file for the current key bindings for those that are already in use before
> commiting new ones
>
> Barry Gerdes
> Beaumont Hills Observatory
> S 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
>
>
> From: edtak...@cox.net
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:46:55 -0400
> To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
>
> I should have added that keystroke equivalents give both
> ease of learning for the beginner via the menus, and
> good (perhaps the best possible) facile and fine-tuned control for the
> experienced users and astronomers.
> Ed.
> PS: Just updated my notes at takken.us/stellarium. Hopefully they are more
> readable now.
>
>
> Hi Tom,
> It is the keystroke equivalents that are magic.
> The menus after a while are just a help display.
> Sub-menus can be used to make things fit on a small display.
> Ed
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> I'm not convinced that replacing the nebula sliders with a drop-down
> menu would be more intuitive although I'm no expert on GUI design.
> Bear in mind that non-numerical information needs translations unless
> you use icons, potentially causing layout problems. Also drop-down
> menus wouldn't fit on a small screen (e.g. smartphone).
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
> On 19 March 2012 21:14, <edtak...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Thomas and Brian,
>
> I think the way to do this one, as well as make the user interface both more
> facile and intuitive, is with drop-down menus.
> I put a draft of my idea at takken.us/stellarium, but need to do more to
> explain it.
> I suggest that the present slide bars are an encumbrance for the user.
>
> Ed Takken
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Perhaps this could be implemented as a plug-in? ("extended DSO
> controls" or something like that). Personally I would like some
> extended controls particularly for making full use of the new NGC data
> catalogue. (Galaxy display based on surface brightness for example,
> which would certainly be useful for objects at low altitude.)
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
> On 19 March 2012 17:03, Bogdan Marinov <daggers...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cool!
>
>
> I have a prototype image here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/81471534@N00/6848489598/lightbox/
>
>
> Oh, my, more interface clutter. While users have requested a way to
>
> select which categories of DSOs are displayed, I think that a separate
>
> slider for each is overkill.
>
>
> Also, a comment on a previous question of yours:
>
>
> On 18 March 2012 14:15, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also think that the sliders should be ticked and a label show their
>
> current value, because I'm not even sure what their value currently
>
> represents. (I assume apparent magnitude)
>
>
> The sliders are deliberately unitless and don't represent apparent
>
> magnitude. Instead, they control the number of objects shown on the
>
> screen with a somewhat unclear formula which includes apparent
>
> magnitude and dynamic eye adaptation.
>
>
> Please also have in mind that one of the reasons Stellarium is popular
>
> with educators and people who are total beginners in astronomy is the
>
> simplicity of its interface. New features should be carefully
>
> designed. Just slapping hack over hack as has been the tendency
>
> recently won't lead to anything good. We already kicked out the
>
> planetarium users, let's not alienate more groups.
>
>
> Bogdan
>
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