Another thought.
I haven't looked to see how, but Apple and Microsoft have both
internationalized their OS pull-down menus and equivalent keystrokes.
So it is doable.
> Hi Barry,
>
> Part of the objective I suggest is to NOT have duplication of function,
> menus allowing removal of some parts of Settings panes, like slide bars,
> (and providing clarification of what Save means and when, where and how
> to do it).
> Or perhaps rearrange the panes so that they totally do not or totally do
> duplicate menu/keystroke functionality.
> Or if not that maybe find some way to provide indication in panes for
> what settings are duplicative.
>
> The type of keyboard layout is, today, just a software setting.
> Perhaps more of a problem is muddling of keystrokes that start with the
> first letter of an English word.
> Provided everything else like Help files and Preference panes is in the
> native language for a user, though,
> would it be acceptable to have menus and their keystroke equivalents
> be in English,
> and be normally operated with the keyboard set to the same?
> A little English is very widely known, and pull-down menus provide a
> very ready tutorial for keystroke equivalents.
>
> Yes, there is a problem here.
> Maybe duplication within panes does need to be provide so some can avoid the
> English.
> But one thing for sure is that there is tremendous user interface reach and
> power in keystroke equivalents with menus, and not just on laptops.
> The words that say it all are "intuitive" and "facile," as in Apple's track
> record for software.
> Stellarium is missing some (or a lot).
>
> Please read my hopefully now more readable notes.
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Barry Gerdes wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Key stroke (key bindings) are very useful. particularly on lap tops although
>> not so important on desktops where a mouse works well.
>> The biggest problems we have with key bindings is twofold, the number with
>> duplicate functions and the use of non USA keyboards. Check through the help
>> file for the current key bindings for those that are already in use before
>> commiting new ones
>>
>> Barry Gerdes
>> Beaumont Hills Observatory
>> S 33' 41' 44" E 150' 56' 32"
>>
>>
>> From: edtak...@cox.net
>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:46:55 -0400
>> To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options
>>
>> I should have added that keystroke equivalents give both
>> ease of learning for the beginner via the menus, and
>> good (perhaps the best possible) facile and fine-tuned control for the
>> experienced users and astronomers.
>> Ed.
>> PS: Just updated my notes at takken.us/stellarium. Hopefully they are more
>> readable now.
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> It is the keystroke equivalents that are magic.
>> The menus after a while are just a help display.
>> Sub-menus can be used to make things fit on a small display.
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> I'm not convinced that replacing the nebula sliders with a drop-down
>> menu would be more intuitive although I'm no expert on GUI design.
>> Bear in mind that non-numerical information needs translations unless
>> you use icons, potentially causing layout problems. Also drop-down
>> menus wouldn't fit on a small screen (e.g. smartphone).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>> On 19 March 2012 21:14, <edtak...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi Thomas and Brian,
>>
>> I think the way to do this one, as well as make the user interface both more
>> facile and intuitive, is with drop-down menus.
>> I put a draft of my idea at takken.us/stellarium, but need to do more to
>> explain it.
>> I suggest that the present slide bars are an encumbrance for the user.
>>
>> Ed Takken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Perhaps this could be implemented as a plug-in? ("extended DSO
>> controls" or something like that). Personally I would like some
>> extended controls particularly for making full use of the new NGC data
>> catalogue. (Galaxy display based on surface brightness for example,
>> which would certainly be useful for objects at low altitude.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>> On 19 March 2012 17:03, Bogdan Marinov <daggers...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool!
>>
>>
>> I have a prototype image here:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/81471534@N00/6848489598/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> Oh, my, more interface clutter. While users have requested a way to
>>
>> select which categories of DSOs are displayed, I think that a separate
>>
>> slider for each is overkill.
>>
>>
>> Also, a comment on a previous question of yours:
>>
>>
>> On 18 March 2012 14:15, bdwashbu <bdwas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I also think that the sliders should be ticked and a label show their
>>
>> current value, because I'm not even sure what their value currently
>>
>> represents. (I assume apparent magnitude)
>>
>>
>> The sliders are deliberately unitless and don't represent apparent
>>
>> magnitude. Instead, they control the number of objects shown on the
>>
>> screen with a somewhat unclear formula which includes apparent
>>
>> magnitude and dynamic eye adaptation.
>>
>>
>> Please also have in mind that one of the reasons Stellarium is popular
>>
>> with educators and people who are total beginners in astronomy is the
>>
>> simplicity of its interface. New features should be carefully
>>
>> designed. Just slapping hack over hack as has been the tendency
>>
>> recently won't lead to anything good. We already kicked out the
>>
>> planetarium users, let's not alienate more groups.
>>
>>
>> Bogdan
>>
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