Jock, thanks for highlighting me on Adam Smith and I would like to quote the Olympic Oath:
"In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams". This is very much the way I was brought up and belived in for a long time................ To your two questions I would just say: Yes To your Swiss Vulcano > From: Jock Gill [[email protected]] > Sent: 2010-12-06 14:34:18 MET > To: Otto Formo [[email protected]] > Cc: Jock Gill [[email protected]], [email protected], > [email protected], Stanley Richard [[email protected]], > Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [[email protected]] > Subject: Re: SV: SV: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] More on briquettes and pellets > > Otto, > > Thanks for the note and the questions. I will do my best to answer in the > inserts below. > > You might enjoy reading the new biography of Adam Smith: Adam Smith, an > Enlightened Life. It makes it clear that Smith can only be well understood > if you take all of his works together, as they were intended to form a whole > greater than the sum of the parts. From this is, it appears that Smith has > been hijacked and perverted by the unregulated free market theorists. The > Smith they present to justify their narrative is false. > > So let me pose two questions: Is it better to teach a person how to make a > stove or to sell them a stove? Is it worth promoting independence and self > sufficiency? > > The perverted view of Smith would answer both questions NO, as this answer > will hopefully increased profits - but without regard to any other values or > metrics. > > Looks like 10 inches of snow here in the next 24 hours. > > Cheers, > > Jock > > > Jock Gill > P.O. Box 3 > Peacham, VT 05862 > Carbon Negative Solutions > (G) (802) 503-1258 > > > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Otto Formo wrote: > > > Jock and Ron, > > > > First, > > you claim this is a Swiss design, from when and how? > > [JPG: If you Google "Swiss Volcano Stove" you will know as much as I. I > purchased mine at an Army Navy store in Barre, VT for about $12.00 US.] > > > > To me it looks very much like the PekoPe from Kampala in a smaller scale. > > I have made a few Two can stoves myself and find it "good enough" thinking > > about biochar, but I would never promote it to be used for cooking, unless > > during emergency and disaster situations as a "First Aid" kit - Swiss > > Made.............?? > > [JPG: I promote iCans, which are NOT Hugh's design, for education. My hope > is that local talent, once they learn stove making basics with tin cans can > them produce better and culturally appropriate stoves from local materials > that meet local standards and tastes. Who is to judge what is "good enough" > for conditions on the ground in 10s of thousands of local conditions and > economics? I do not think values from one place should be imposed on > another.] > > > > > > I also quote from your blogg 17. October 2010: > > "Hello Jock, > > As a rule WS [WorldStove] does not do boiling tests. We tune the stoves to > > local cooking traditions. Not all countries use lids. In Haiti and Niger we > > used lids, in Sierra Leone and Ghana we did not, in Ethiopia we did not use > > pots"............................ > > Nataniel > > > > To me you said that you have no knowledge about this issue!?? > > [JPG: I know Nat, but not the details of his arrangements with other > organizations. This is quite reasonable and normal. I'd ask Nat for details > if yo really need them] > > > > > I very much agree with AJH statement about patents and copying others > > inventions. > > [This is why I have gone the open source route. It is good to remember that > Benj. Franklin, an admirer of Adam Smith's works, chose NOT to patent 1] > bifocals; 2] lightening rods; 3] the iron stove he invented. We really need > to get back in touch with the values and views of Smith as developed in ALL > of his writings. His "Wealth of Nations" was never intended to stand alone. > It was seen as part of a four book project on the Science of Man. > Unfortunately, Smith died before he could finish the last two books.] > > > There is one thing that money rules, but due to the fact that those > > "cowards" dont even admit that they have copied someones good ideas, is not > > only a shame but a disgrace of mankind. > > I have always been told that boxing is called: > > "The noble art of selfdefence" > > In soccer we say,"everything" is allowed as long you go for the ball and > > not for the man. > > During my time as an athlet I have tried to stick to these rules and I > > intend to do so in my future life as well. > > I know very well that the "business world" is another story, but it seems > > that those "greedy bastasards" never learn, despite numerous of financial > > crisis. > > > > Time will show.......... > > > > Have a nice day. > > > > Otto > > >
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