Dear Ron,
AGW-theory began as a theory, became a religion, turned into a form of
reactionary statism _and_ is being largely rejected, partly-- aside from
the bad science and overwhelming number of uncheckable variables
involved in the models-- because rapaciously greedy men lied and were
exposed. Why are you so religiously following one of the financial
schemes based on the lie? I just don't get it. When an advertising
agency is running a promotion for something for one of their clients and
finds out the client is lying about a product it seems that they are
morally obliged to quit the campaign or face recriminatory legal action.
Sorry, Ron, but you are logically challenged on your claim that anyone
trying to tell the truth about anthropogenic global warming is
detrimental to bettering stoves, simply because selling any program
based on lies is detrimental to sustainable success of that program--
when the truth gets out, it will be discredited because it is linked
emotionally in the minds of the customers with the lie, from which they
-- rightly-- wish to reject and distance themselves. It appears to me
that you have emotional "stock" in a carbon credits scheme which is
clouding your thinking even more so than Denver's smog might be, as
repugnant as that may be to you.
Lastly, as a point of history, are you convinced that "all" of the
desertification in Sudan is due to commercial charcoal production?
Ronald von bayr. Betonificationnation
On 23.06.2012 20:54, [email protected] wrote:
Andrew Parker and list:
As in my last reply to Ronald H, I don't see that you are
providing links that will help lead to better stoves. Lists like the
three in your "P.S." have zero interest in what this list is about -
and in fact I believe all three are doing a good job of making sure we
are unsuccessful in bringing about better stoves.
Your motivation (first sentence) for getting into this topic is
much like many on the list. I started personally with concern about
the desertification disaster happening in Sudan - all because of
charcoal production in that country's boondocks. Charcoal-making
stoves can help a lot with desertification/deforestation, even if the
char is used by others for cooking - because most present char
production is so horrible.
But many of us on this list have come to see the char as being
better for everyone if placed in the ground. Carbon credits will be
helpful in that regard. If done appropriately, they can also do a lot
to prevent (not encourage) what you rightfully deplore. The issue for
this list should be on any/every approach that will give developing
country stove users better stoves. With charcoal-making stoves, stove
users can even make money while cooking, while meeting your two
concerns: saving forests and gaining better health.
These topics, which seem important to you, should be on the table
at Rio + 20 - and I can't see that they are. Because, in part, of
the three sites listed below in your "P.S."
Ron
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*From: *"Andrew C. Parker" <[email protected]>
*To: *"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:35:47 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Stoves] interesting link
My interest in efficient stoves was spurred by deforestation and health
concerns. Now the forests I was trying to protect are slated to be
cleared to make way for palm oil plantations to feed the carbon credits
farce. The people whose lives I hoped to improve are also being cleared
and forced into refugee camps. An environment that supported upwards of
100,000 will support only a few hundred. For what? For whom?
Invoking the Precautionary Principle, we force the very people we seek to
protect with our policies into immediate devastation, misery and death,
rather than position ourselves to assist in the event that something bad
might, maybe, perhaps happen to them sometime in the next 100 to 100,000
years as a result of man caused CO2 release. This is Climate Justice?
Its anthropogenic, but the suffering isn't because of climate change.
Andrew Parker (not AJH)
P.S. If you don't like Climate Depot, try wattsupwiththat.com, or for
math heads, climateaudit.org (I try, but it gives me a migraine).
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