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On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Ray Menke <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul Olivier, > Instead of using a perforated cardboard disc soaked in wax, I am using > thin slices of waste cardboard (4cm X 1 cm) that I cut with sheet > metal snips. I also work with strips of cardboard. > Put a layer of these on top of the biomass, add a few > drops of alcohol, and ignite with a match. If I use cereal boxes the > thickness of business card stock, I crease them before cutting so they > form "V's and "L's). Corrugated cardboard is just cut into flat > strips, but when the mix is ignited, there is very little smoke. The cardboard does emit smoke - not a lot - but very annoying. > Ray > (who doesn't seem to have enough wax..) > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Paul Olivier <[email protected]> > wrote: > > AJH, > > > > I tried many times to light rice hulls with kerosene. > > This does not work very well in conjunction with updrafting air. > > The kerosene fumes generated in this lighting process stink quite a bit. > > > > I also tried to light rice hulls with a gas-jet flame. > > This does not work at all. > > > > So I tried cardboard. > > When cardboard burns above the rice hulls, it initially emits a lot of > > smoke. > > After a while, it turns to a sort of charcoal and emits radiant energy. > > As soon as the cardboard turns red, the rice hulls ignite. > > When the rice hulls ignite and burn, they emit no visible smoke. > > > > All of the smoke in the lighting of the gasifier comes from that initial > > burning of cardboard. > > So if we had a device that only generated radiant energy, this should be > > ideal for lighting rice hulls. > > > > The same logic applies to pelleted rice hulls. > > They light easily as soon as the cardboard turns red. > > I assume that the same logic would apply to pellets made from other > types of > > biomass. > > Perhaps this assumption is wrong. > > > > > > Thanks. > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> [Default] On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:57:02 +0700,Paul Olivier > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >An electrical coil producing infrared heat would be used to light the > >> > pellets. The lighting would take place in less than 20 seconds and > would > >> > generate very little smoke. > >> > >> > >> I like the idea of a more sophisticated tlud burner for open flame > >> cooking and I have previously mentioned that with modern electronics > >> we could develop a proper mechanism for controlling draught and power, > >> like the ECU on a car does. > >> > >> My experience of electric hot air lighters is that the few seconds > >> that they pyrolyse the wood before it gets above it's autoignition > >> temperature copious acrid smoke is produced. Using kerosene as a > >> starter with a match is faster at getting smoke free. > >> > >> AJH > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Stoves mailing list > >> > >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >> [email protected] > >> > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >> > >> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > >> > >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul A. Olivier PhD > > 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong > > Dalat > > Vietnam > > > > Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) > > Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam) > > Skype address: Xpolivier > > http://www.esrla.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Stoves mailing list > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > [email protected] > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > > > > -- > Ray Menke > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > > -- Paul A. Olivier PhD 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong Dalat Vietnam Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam) Skype address: Xpolivier http://www.esrla.com/
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