Fossil fuels are not renewable in any meaningful sense of the term. Paul Olivier
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM, nari phaltan <[email protected]>wrote: > I think all the stovers should understand that when anything is burned it > produces CO2 irrespective of the fuel. What we are talking about is fixing > CO2 in short time (10-20 years) for recycling which happens when biomass is > used. We should understand that kerosene, petrol, CNG etc are all renewable > but on a much longer time frame (couple of million years). > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dean Still <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Although we have tried repeatedly to make a true gasifier (making gas in >> one place that is transported to and burned in a wood gas cooking stove) we >> haven't had great success. It seems easier to me to follow the forced draft >> with auger pellet heating stove approach. This is a well known technology >> and might be relatively easy to change into a cooking stove for folks in >> industrialized countries, I think. The TLUD comes close but doesn't have >> the ease of operation of a forced draft auger type pellet stove. >> >> I'll try to make a prototype model for Stove Camp. I agree that it's much >> better to only burn renewable gas that does not add CO2 to the atmosphere. >> Let's get to work and create the needed solutions. >> >> Best, >> >> Dean >> >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Paul Olivier <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Anil, >>> >>> I really think that we are coming close to the day when biomass stoves >>> could be installed in modern kitchens. If biomass fuel has a relatively >>> high bulk density, if it is uniform in grain size, if it is below 12% in >>> moisture, (in other word, if it's well prepared), it could be gasified or >>> pryrolized in such a manner that it could produce a gas that could compete >>> with the gas derived from fossil fuels that are now being burned in modern >>> kitchens. It's not enough that we design biomass stoves for poor people. We >>> should be using them ourselves. >>> >>> I say to the entire stove community. Wake up. Design biomass stoves that >>> you would be proud to use in your own kitchens. Do not just worry about the >>> respiratory health of poor people. Think equally about the much bigger >>> picture of the health of our entire planet that profoundly impacts rich and >>> poor alike. Every time we turn on a modern gas appliance, we are >>> contributing to global warming. Let us do all within our power to put an >>> end to this nonsense. >>> >>> Paul Olivier >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:25 AM, nari phaltan <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Erin for your kind words. I do hope our lanstove spreads. >>>> >>>> One of the great lessons of Mahatma Gandhi was that he preached what >>>> he practiced Thus it will be interesting for all those people >>>> who vehemently oppose lanstove type technology to switch to woodstove >>>> cooking and solar lanterns in their own houses rather than doing it on gas >>>> and electricity ( both produce extensive GHGs). >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Anil >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Erin Rasmussen <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anil, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your article. >>>>> >>>>> I found that you also have an excellent description of your Lanstove >>>>> here: >>>>> http://www.nariphaltan.org/kerolanstove.pdf >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry that our conversation got so off-track, this is obviously an >>>>> improvement over the wick kerosene lantern that contributes a lot of >>>>> black >>>>> carbon and soot to our atmosphere. >>>>> >>>>> At ETHOS this year, Tammi Bond, who just wrapped up an extensive study >>>>> on >>>>> black carbon, identified improving the wick stove as the single biggest >>>>> impact on black carbon emissions that we could make. >>>>> Tammi's slides are here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20 >>>>> PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf<http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> So - improving the lanterns, the lighting, and the stoves are all good >>>>> aims, >>>>> and I'd like to see us do what we can to actually help people in with >>>>> improved light and cooking and other energy needs. >>>>> >>>>> That said, the Chulhas stove is not the best biomass stove we can >>>>> make. We >>>>> have learned a lot about making good stoves since the Chulha was >>>>> designed, >>>>> and it's time for us to bring those improvements to the many >>>>> households in >>>>> India and around the world that need them. >>>>> >>>>> OK, that said, I'd like to see us get back to making a real difference >>>>> in >>>>> the quality of life of many people around the world. We don't have >>>>> time to >>>>> waste arguing each other, when we can be developing and improving good >>>>> stoves and bringing those stoves to the people that need them. >>>>> >>>>> Erin Rasmussen >>>>> STOVES LIST ADMIN >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Stoves [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of >>>>> Nariphaltan >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:52 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene >>>>> >>>>> Some of you maybe interested in reading this article. >>>>> Www.nariphaltan.org/kerosene.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> Anil K Rajvanshi >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Stoves mailing list >>>>> >>>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists >>>>> .org<http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org> >>>>> >>>>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web >>>>> site: >>>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Stoves mailing list >>>>> >>>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>>> >>>>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web >>>>> site: >>>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute (NARI) >>>> Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road >>>> P.O.Box 44 >>>> Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India >>>> Ph:91-2166-222396/220945 >>>> e-mail:[email protected] >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://www.nariphaltan.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Stoves mailing list >>>> >>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>> >>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>> >>>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Paul A. Olivier PhD >>> 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong >>> Dalat >>> Vietnam >>> >>> Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam) >>> Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam) >>> Skype address: Xpolivier >>> http://www.esrla.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Stoves mailing list >>> >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>> [email protected] >>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>> >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >>> >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute (NARI) > Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road > P.O.Box 44 > Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India > Ph:91-2166-222396/220945 > e-mail:[email protected] > [email protected] > > http://www.nariphaltan.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > > > -- Paul A. 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