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Andy is right,  Satire is meant to offend.  In this particular case it was
meant to offend the stadium supporters.  The satirical piece stereotyped all
stadium supporters as rich, hard hearted, white people, who live in the
suburbs, are racists and facists.

That this was not harmful or destructive, I disagree with Andy on that
point.  The purpose of utilizing such a piece in this type of forum is to
squelch discussion on the stadium issue.  Since this is a discussion list, I
do believe that is harmful.  Anyone who has done any political work or has
any communication's training knows that.  Basic concept.

I also believe it is harmful to instigate and perpetuate destructive
stereotypes.


Renee Jenson
Como

----- Original Message ----- 
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:50:08 -0600
> From: Andy Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [StPaul] Satire
> To: "St. Paul Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The purpose of satire is to provoke, not assuage. People are going to be
> offended in satire. Period. The fact is, offense is the point. This was
not
> harmful or destructive, in any event, except, perhaps in an overreaching
> stereotype linking SUV drivers to neo-fascism, hardly a universal
condition
> - for which Rob Scarlett has apologized..
>
> Aside from the fact that this matter has gone off the St. Paul topic, the
> basic message is that satire does have a berth in the marketplace of ideas
> and that satire is going to offend. That's its effectiveness and its
> durability as political commentary (witness Alice in Wonderland,
Gulliver's
> Travels and most of Shakespeare's comedies).
>
> Back to St. Paul.
>
> Andy Driscoll
> Crocus Hill
> ------
>


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