I for one believe that this is a safe and efficient way to determine electoral races.
I fully support the use of this valuable tool. Pamela Ellison Como Park Saint Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "StPaul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "David Shove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: RE: [StPaul] Dave v. Vance > Actually I am not certain where Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) grew out of a > discussion of the Mayor and his endorsement of Mr. Bush. But since it did I > would like to encourage a discussion of it in context of municipal elections in > Saint Paul. > > For example - It might be used if we ever get into another multiple person > general election as we did in the infamous and almented 5th Ward city council > race of last year. It was that race tha encouraged me to look for other > electoral methods including IRV. > > A note: IRV is sponsored buy many groups - not just Greens, including (Gasp !! > for emphasis) some Democrats. For example, IRV was used to elect Kucinich > national delegates to the national convention in Boston. IRV was debated in > Miami at the at the National Democratic platform committee meeting when the > final platform was debated. As a member of the platfrom committee I spoke to > its adoption - noting at the time that Minnesota House Republicans killed the > experimental use in the Roseville City Council elections. After debate it was > not included. > > John Sherman > On the marches of Como and the North End > > > Quoting Guy Western <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > What Dave means to say is that we, in the Green Party, prefer to focus on > > positive, innovative solutions like Instant Runoff Voting and not involve > > ourselves in the DFL's internal problems. . . don't you, Dave (come on now, > > or we'll have to take your coffee away like we do in the meetings.) > > > > Guy Western > > the West Side > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Shove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Another major player in DFL politics in StPaul is Vance Opperman. > > > Wealthy West Publishing heir. He has often intervened in StPaul and MN > > > politics. When he doesn't like who the DFL endorses, he backs someone > > > else, and about half the time has won - overriden popular democracy with > > > money and influence. > > > > > > I believe for mayor he preferred Kelly to the endorsed Benanav, and > > helped > > > make DFL aid for Benanav scarce enuf that he lost. > > > > > > Behind many bad decisions and bad politicians are not the supposedly > > > stupid populace, but a manipulating ruling class person or group. The > > > ruling class would like us to not see this, or forget it, and blame it > > all > > > on the so-called stupid masses, who the ruling class doesn't like and > > > loves to exploit. > > > > > > I'm sure others know much more about the life and times of Vance Opperman > > > re the DFL. > > > > > > Just as support by the StPaul Chamber of Commerce should be the kiss of > > > death, so should support from Vance O. In either case, we want the people > > > to decide - not the rich few. > > > > > > --David Shove > > > roseville > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Guy Western wrote: > > > Re: [StPaul] Kelly is a Democrat for Life > > > > > > > > The fact remains that Mayor Kelly is a Democrat, he was well-known to > > > > differ with the Democrat party line on a great number of issues, he > > didn't > > > > support Wellstone in 2002, his potential apostasy has been predicted > > since > > > > before he became mayor, and the St. Paul voters who supported him in > > TWO > > > > elections--a primary of questionably value, and a general > > election--really > > > > have no business claiming to be shocked and betrayed by his failure to > > toe > > > > the party line in this presidential race. My point was that a lot of > > > > people, including anyone who may be genuinely surprised by Kelly's > > maverick > > > > endorsement of the incumbent POTUS, voted with their gut instead of > > their > > > > knowledge of his positions on issues. > > > > > > > > If the DFL wants to be a "big tent" and make room for anti-choice, > > > > anti-gay, anti-liberal members who reserve their right to withold > > support > > > > from party nominees, then DFLers' complaints about "betrayal" by these > > > > impersonators is going to be met with yawns by those of us who aren't > > > > members of the DFL. Call me what you will (and I've been called plenty > > > > lately by Minnesota-nice DFLers), but I don't have a lot of sympathy > > for > > > > either side in this intra-party flap. > > > _____________________________________________ > > > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > > > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > > > > > Archive Address: > > > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _____________________________________________ > > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > > > Archive Address: > > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ > > > > > _____________________________________________ > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _____________________________________________ > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > Archive Address: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ > _____________________________________________ To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
