You're calling a proven system under which voters are free to vote their
consciences without fear of "wasting" their vote "convoluted" while
defending an electoral system in which the seperate states *choose*
electors (the states are NOT required to choose electors by popular vote)
who then may or may not cast their final vote for the directed
candidate--one in which a plurality among the electors throws the election
into the House of Representatives as straightforward!!??  I'll bet a lot of
people don't even recognize this as the real American electoral system. 
One in which the SCOTUS has now ruled that the time for counting votes runs
out on any state whose votes are not accurately submitted by about
Christmas.

Now, everyone tell me which one resembles Publishers' Clearing House--which
one is a "freaking game?

Under one of those systems, Chuck--the one you call "convoluted"--the
Democrat would have won the box of Cracker Jacks with the White House in it
in 2000.

Guy Western
the West Side

Then someone tell me why, if time is of the essence and there wasn't time
to count the votes in 2000, but in 2004 the administration is asking how to
postpone the whole election!?

> [Original Message]
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (St Paul Discuss)>
> Date: 8/4/04 12:59:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [StPaul] IRV
>
> Here we go on the great IRV discussion again.  The effort is lead by the
minor parties who have failed to establish themselves as viable
alternatives to either of the major parties and are instead offering a
voting process that great strength is to tell the public that no matter
what you do or who you vote for it doesn't matter because you might still
be a winner!
>
> It sounds like an add for Publishers Clearing House.  Just rank your
candidates one through four and we will keep scratching your ballot until
you hit a winning number!  
>
> Elections aren't a freaking game.  There is no prize in the cracker jack
box.  They are about selecting a person to represent you.  Who you chose
matters.  Who you vote for matters.  If you voted for Nader in the last
election, you voted for George W Bush for president.  Get over it and don't
do it again!  But, to come up with a convoluted system that requires the
average voter to make multiple choices on who they want for dog catcher
would do more to send people away from the polls than any other scheme
imagined.  
>
> People aren't looking to take a multiple guess quiz when they go to vote
and most people don't view elections as a parlor game.  
>
> Why it works in other countries and not hear is simple they have real
third parties that pull better than 5% of the vote.
>
> Chuck Repke 
>
> St Paul
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