OK then, here's a shorter, even less-tthought-out version:
YES, but use 94 or RR corridors for high-speed East-West service, with
North-South spurs coming off this Mainline every mile. The Victoria Line,
for example, could be boarded at Juut and make stops northward until it
gets to 94, when it turns to either downtown for a straight shot. The
southbound Snelling Line could be boarded at Har-Mar Mall, stopping at
Larpenteur, Midway, Como, Hamliine U., Thomas!, over Univ Av through the
ugly Green Thing, Frontage Road, and off you go to Downtown.
I just think considering the ring, or Triangle, on it's own is
short-sighted. What would 494-694 Loop be without 280 and 100 and 169?
Where would the tree be without the branches? The hand with no fingers?
The aorta sans capillaries? x, y, z, dimensions and beyond!!!
The reader is left to apply this approach to the Riverview Corridor on hir
own.
Andrew M. Hine
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So far -----> Yes = 7
No = 4
I encourage people to look closely at the reasons why people vote as
they do, which is really more interesting and informative that the
tally itself.
Anyone else care to cast your vote.
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1) Based on what you know today, would you like to
see a light rail system built in St. Paul ALONG -
University Ave. (similar to the Hiawatha
corridor system)?
YES or NO
Optional: short explanation of vote (or caveat).
150 words or less
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Willie Nesbit
YES
Based on what I know about the cost and having had considerable
experience with other cities' light rail , subways, and elevated
trains, I vote yes. I believe twin citians in general are in denial
about the need for improved mass transit. The drivers here are among
the rudest and most poorly trained of just about any I have
witnessed. The jams here are not caused primarily by poor roads or
conditions but by poor driving skills and inconsideration. The
increasing crisis in the oil industry will continue to wake all of us
up to the coming end to the current dependable fossil fuel based
internal combustion engine. Mass transit is the wave of the near
future and we need to get on board.
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Andrew M. Hine
YES
(Explanation too long - please submit shorter version)
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John Harris
NO
I am all for a line between the cities but university doesn't seem
like the right route. There appears to be more negatives than
positives with this route. Also, seems it would simply take people
off the buses and put them on a train instead of getting people out
of their cars.
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Dan Dobson
YES
YES, but not along University Avenue. Lite rail in St. Paul needs to
be along I-94.
Most of the light rail systems in America separate cars and lite
rail, i.e. New York City, Chicago, St. Louis, Washington, D.C., and
San Francisco.
The only place I know of where cars and lite rail are combined is in
downtown Portland, where lite rail is slower than molasses.
Lite Rail along I-94 will be faster, less expensive and lead to less
congestion in the long run. Lit rail then can be extended to Hudson
and Stillwater.
YES to Lite rail in Saint Paul. No to Lite Rail on University Avenue.
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Pam Ellison
YES
The only thing that would change this for me is if PRT were being
considered. Seeing it is not, I would vote for a rail system that
would allow for going below or above the street grade on major
intersections such as Hwy 280, Snelling, Fairview, Hamline,
Lexington, Dale Rice and 35 E. I think it could go east where
University becomes Minnehaha, out as far as the 3M complex and
go West as far you can into downtown beyond the U.
I believe that an elevated system like Chicago could work as well.
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