You say, " Cops always like to cite how many calls were answered. This gives a false impression. It should be how many calls were answered compared to how many arrests AND resulting convictions there were over a given period of time."
Okay, so what are those figures? You also say "Why is it that statistics are always demanded when common sense and experience is all that's necessary? What should be comparable is the number of cops to the number of courts. If the cops were as busy as they would have you believe, then it would probably 10 years to get a simple speeding ticket in front of a judge. Cops always like to cite how many calls were answered. This gives a false impression." So let me see if this position meets your test of common sense. If the courts are congested, that would show that the cops are working hard. Couldn't it also mean that the courts are not working hard? Why should we believe one and not the other. Isn't it possible that the police and courts are both working hard to get cases through the courts and disposed of in a timely manner. That seems to me to be the common sense analysis. Only somebody with an axe to grind and no common sense would conclude that lack of court congestion means the cops are not working hard. You also say, "Police do get free one free apartment in all St. Paul's high rises. One officer gets an apartment to use at PERSONAL discretion. All they have to do is patrol (drive thru) the parking lot. The benefits of being a cop in this city are astounding." So are you saying that all the police have to share the one apartment, in which case it must get pretty crowded. Or, are you saying that each officer gets their own individual apartment, it which case there must be some high rises that are all cops. Where would they be? > My responses are bracketed. > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:45:23 GMT > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [StPaul] Re: Re: Banning tobacco won't > > work ? Yes ! it > > will..... > > To: popman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > It appears that you have been fortunate enough to > > not have been a crime > > victim. However, to assert that cops don't work or > > earn there money > > makes your credibility about zero. > > [I have been a crime victim, or should I say just > another crime statistic? The experience makes my > credibility pretty high.] > > > > > I understand > > that on the internet we > > tend to accept people just making the wildest claims > > without asking them > > for proof, but I am asking that before you malign an > > entire group of hard > > working people, you give some justification. If you > > are going to slam > > the police, I think you should have the decency to > > cite some statistics, > > such as crimes per 1,000 people and average number > > of calls or responses > > per police officer. > > [Why is it that statistics are always demanded when > common sense and experience is all that's necessary? > What should be comparable is the number of cops to the > number of courts. If the cops were as busy as they > would have you believe, then it would probably 10 > years to get a simple speeding ticket in front of a > judge. Cops always like to cite how many calls were > answered. This gives a false impression. It should be > how many calls were answered compared to how many > arrests AND resulting convictions there were over a > given period of time. > > This would give us not only the quantity but also the > quality of their work in the field.] > > So what are they and how do > > they compare with other > > cities where you believe the police are not > > underworked or overpayed. > > Finally, it is absolutely not true that St. Paul > > police get free > > housing,, and you either made that up or were > > gullable enough to believe > > a liar > > [Police do get free one free apartment in all St. > Paul's high rises. One officer gets an apartment to > use at PERSONAL discretion. All they have to do is > patrol (drive thru) the parking lot. The benefits of > being a cop in this city are astounding. > > I do believe that could be paid for by the Fed. All > the cities high rises are, at least partially, funded > by the Federal Housing Authority. I'm not sure what > the cities portion, if any, is. > > In any event, it's a lot of pay for very little work. > ] > > Rowdy Russ Hanson. > The Truth in St. Paul. > > > > > Banning tobacco will work. > > > > > > We ban a lot of things. > > > > > > We ban: fireworks, R12 freon, child porn, and even > > > felons from the voting booth�and this is just the > > > start of a very long list of things that are > > banned > > > for the sale/use to the general public. > > > > > > May I remind you that calling groups and people > > > derogatory names is banned right here in this > > forum? > > > > > > > > > Dann points out that the cops are over-worked. > > > Huh????? > > > > > > > > > Being a cop in St. Paul is the most ridiculous job > > > that one can get paid a whopping $50k / year for! > > > They're not worth half that amount and Kelly wants > > to > > > hire more of them! > > > > > > St. Paul is not a crime-ridden town unless 3 > > people > > > spitting on the sidewalk is going to be considered > > a > > > major crime wave :=) > > > > > > The cops are definitely not "overworked". They're > > > "over-paid" and "under-worked" is more like it. > > Did > > > you know that the cops also get TOTALLY FREE > > HOUSING > > > in St. Paul? It's true! > > > > > > And �that's The Truth in St. Paul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rowdy Russ Hanson. > > > The Truth in St. Paul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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