On Nov 20, 2008, at 9:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> From: "mex sara" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> what is wrong with  chaos and/or the origin of life is no ones fault
>> but an excellent accident
>
> I have no idea what you're trying to say in the first part of that  
> sentence. As to the last, you have no proof that the origin of life  
> was accidental. So, why should you stifle research that presumes  
> there is a better explanation and attempts to find it?

I believe she is asking why life could not have begun with the chaotic  
chemical reactions taking place in Earth's early oceans and  
atmosphere. That could have been the design if you are inclined to  
believe in ID.

This is the entire problem with ID - there is no research. There are  
not testable arguments being made. It is the proposition that you must  
accept it on faith. There's that nasty word again, faith. This is why  
it does not belong in schools or in science classes.

>> btw darwins theory relates to the origin of species not the origin  
>> of life  which as far a i remember he doesn't even speculate upon
>
> It is my understanding that ID attempts to find the origin of life.  
> Why can't scientists look to answer that question?

Scientists are looking to answer that question every day.

>> do you remember when the theory of relativity proved god as if  
>> things were relative there must be an absolute ... ignoring   that  
>> the absolute could be any thing etc
>
> Say, didn't that guy that came up with the theory of relativity  
> believe in a so-called "Prime Mover?"
>
> Is there an "omnipotent being" or "guiding principle" nudging things  
> along? Some scientists think maybe so. Should they be ostracized  
> from the science and research community for asking those questions?

It has been said before by me and others - ID and scientific  
explanations for how we came to be do not have to be mutually  
exclusive. It is the dogmatics who believe science is out to "destroy  
God".

it was also pointed out in one of the links you pointedly refused to  
follow that the claims movie the movie makes about people who were  
"ostracized" or "punished for their beliefs" were true. Those were  
blatant lies and distortions of the facts to further the agenda of the  
folks making the movie.
--
Brian


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