On 2010-10-16, at 5:50 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

> By "religious rhetoric" I believe you mean anti-semitism.
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No actually I meant Christianity, which was a very important part of Hitler's 
propaganda machine. Anti-semitism was a result of nationalism and xenophobia, 
as well as christianity. (Just ask Mad Max why christianity might lead to 
anti-semitism.)


> And then there is that decidedly anti-religious science called eugenics based 
> on Darwinism those whacky Germans used to justify Jewish genocide.
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Science doesn't kill people, people do. Morality is our concept and doesn't 
exist in nature, therefore science does not address it.

Just because someone did it in a lab coat doesn't mean I endorse it, like you 
may not endorse serial killers who wear the cross or abortionists that have 
breast cancer ribbons on their bumpers.


> Funny the extent that some on the left will go to defend their favorite 
> religion. If they keep it up, they may even be forced to practice it some day!
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What is my favorite religion, exactly?

I practice free thought and speech regularly.


> Perhaps if Canadians had their own culture worth defending they'd better 
> understand why Europeans are so concerned about being overwhelmed by Muslims 
> and their imported culture and sharia law.
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Meow!

The Canadian national identity is it's ability to function and thrive peaceably 
with many different religions, races, cultures and languages.

Not an idea that rates very highly for you, I'm sure, but I'm happy to endorse 
it.

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Michael



> On Oct 16, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Michael Luscombe wrote:
> 
>> Because rampant nationalism and religious rhetoric lead to the rise of the 
>> Nazi regime.
>> 
>> No one said that integrating multiple religions, races, languages and 
>> cultures was going to be easy. Quite the opposite, actually. We know it will 
>> be difficult, and we struggle to struggle to succeed because we have already 
>> lived through the alternatives.
>> 
>> In fact, Islam stopped nation-building in the 13th century and retracted 
>> efforts to integrate with the outside world and moving values, and has led 
>> to the situation we have today. (Other than Iran, of course, which 
>> integrated quite nicely through the 70's, and then opted to return to a 
>> conservative theocracy. I won't even start to lay out what caused that.)
>> 
>> Unfortunately, voters don't want to be told that anything will be difficult, 
>> or cost money. They elect politicians that tell them all their problems are 
>> someone else's fault.
>> 
>> It's disheartening that the shame of Nazi and nationalistic atrocities has 
>> faded so quickly in Germany. They set out to make an example of how far they 
>> could distance themselves from them, and now they're gobbling up the same 
>> lies.
>> 
>> Self-pity is the root of all evil.
>> 
>> On 2010-10-16, at 5:05 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:
>> 
>>> What's wrong with asking immigrants to better integrate into German society?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The Germans are talking about who is and isn't "German enough" again....
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451>

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