On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:05 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > mex my want to re-evaluate the assertion that 1 in 5 Americans live below > the poverty level: > > < > http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/10/hunger-hoax-perpetuates-dependency?utm_source=10/5%20Washington%20Examiner%20Opinion%20-%2010/05/2011&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Opinion%20Digest > > > > > http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/measure.html
well apart from the fact i was quoting the current USA census figures which were about household income and they are quoting a 1991study about nutrition [ thats twenty years old and 1 in eight is now 1 in 5 ] i didn't see were they addressed the fact poverty exists only that those stupid poor people might have consumer goods lucky bastards why are they complaining .... damn slave class they don't know how great they got it if you can explain to me how the family of five quoted in the link above live on an income of under $27,000 a year and have what the average income earner would describe as a happy healthy life i would like to hear it .... perhaps the great aunt had inherited the apartment they live in and they are excellent gardeners who home school their children and have a knowledge of medicine and law and a great library in their town .... I am not sure how far $519 a week stretches in the States but here without even considering the mortgage or transport costs [ one car - one motorbike] ..... i don't think that after the grocery shopping and household expense taxes, electric , water, phone [ not counting the broadband etc] for our household of 3 adults there would be be that much change it is disingenuous to ascribe junk food as the reason for obesity in those with inadequate income a quick trip to the supermarket will verify that the cheapest cuts of meat are the fatty ones that the cheaper grocery items are packed with corn syrup and starch that pre packaged is cheaper than fresh that if you don't have transport you can't get to the cheaper megastore anyhow this is a table of various incomes v family size from the USA census dept [ that is the income below which people are deemed to be living under the poverty level ] *http://tinyurl.com/3t8s5r3* * * waffle by think tankers always makes me curious as to where they are coming from now I don't know much about Hoover except for the dam named after him awesome dam, so I looked up wikipedia * see below for what they said ... anyhow the Hover Institute seems pretty disingenuous too given what I have just read i can see grave rolling to china http://www.hoover.org/about/mission-statement the first par of the entry on the Creators Syndicate made me do that lol thing ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creators_Syndicate *[ a quick read of the wikipedia shows he was pretty big on raising taxes "In one of the largest tax increases in American history, the Revenue Act of 1932 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1932> raisedincome tax <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax> on the highest incomes from 25% to 63%. The estate tax <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax> was doubled and corporate taxes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax> were raised by almost 15%. Also, a "check tax" was included that placed a 2-cent tax (over 30 cents in today's dollars) on all bank checks" but overall seems a decent guy" Quaker etc Engineer, Miner, I guess a prohibitionist ???? more wikipedia "Hoover entered office with a plan to reform the nation's regulatory system, believing that a federal bureaucracy should have limited regulation over a country's economic system.[30]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#cite_note-29> A self-describedprogressive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism> and reformer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_movement>, Hoover saw the presidency as a vehicle for improving the conditions of all Americans by encouraging public-private cooperation—what he termed "volunterism". Hoover saw volunterism as preferable to governmental coercion or intervention which he saw as opposed to the American ideals of individualism and self-reliance. [31] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#cite_note-9iopl-30> Long before he had entered politics, he had denounced *laissez-faire<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire> * thinking.[32] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#cite_note-31> Hoover expanded civil service <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service> coverage of Federal positions, canceled private oil leases on government lands, and by instructing the Justice Department<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice> and the Internal Revenue Service<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Service> to pursue gangsters for tax evasion, he enabled the prosecution of Al Capone<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone>. He appointed a commission that set aside 3 million acres (12,000 km²) of national parks <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_park> and 2.3 million acres (9,000 km²) of national forests; advocated tax reduction for low-income Americans (not enacted); closed certain tax loopholes for the wealthy; doubled the number of veterans' hospital facilities; negotiated a treaty on St. Lawrence Seaway <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_Seaway> (which failed in the U.S. Senate <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate>); wrote a Children's Charter that advocated protection of every child regardless of race or gender; created an antitrust division in the Justice Department<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice>; required air mail carriers to adopt stricter safety measures and improve service; proposed federal loans for urban slum clearances (not enacted); organized theFederal Bureau of Prisons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons>; reorganized the Bureau of Indian Affairs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Indian_Affairs>; instituted prison reform; proposed a federal Department of Education<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education> (not enacted); advocated $50-per-month pensions for Americans over 65 (not enacted); chaired White House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> conferences on child health, protection, homebuilding and home-ownership; began construction of the Boulder Dam <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulder_Dam> (later renamed Hoover Dam <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam>); and signed the Norris – La Guardia Act<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_%E2%80%93_La_Guardia_Act> that limited judicial intervention in labor disputes.]" > > Francis Drouillard, PE > Novato, CA 94945 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "StrataList-OT" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/stratalist-ot?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "StrataList-OT" group. 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