I haven't used dyna beans or modules but that doesn't make them not part of 
the core struts features.  Also, just because some future technology may 
make a struts feature obsolete, does not reduce its importance.  I stand by 
the belief that without tiles and validator (or any other core feature) 
struts looses utility.  You may not use every feature but many people use 
the ones you don't.

Separating tiles and validator is simply not a good idea.

David






>From: Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Tiles Refactorings for 1.1 compatability
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:56:22 -0500
>
>At 2:26 PM -0600 2002/10/16, David Graham wrote:
>>To me, validator and tiles are part of the core.  Without them, struts 
>>loses much of its utility and importance.
>
>I think that's a bit extreme.  Action classes are part of the core; 
>RequestProcessor is part of the core.  I've built several Struts apps and 
>barely touched either Tiles or Validator, and haven't missed them.  
>Furthermore, Validator will be mostly obsoleted by Java Server Faces.
>
>If committers think it's best to keep them in the core distribution, I'm 
>not going to make a fuss about it.  But I think it's selling Struts very 
>short to suggest that it's not very useful or important if you aren't using 
>Validator or Tiles.  And if decoupling useful components from a core 
>distribution helps maintain focus and cut a 1.1 release, I would think 
>there's something to be said for that.
>
>Joe
>
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