(but I am like a 3rd party so ... )
.V
Igor Shabalov wrote:
Do anybody have a bit more information about "Project Rave"?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:51:40 -0400, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Glenn,
There's actually been some really exciting JavaServer Faces tools news at JavaOne. First, there's Project Rave from Sun which looks really close to the Visual Studio stuff from Microsoft. This looks very promising. Basically drag and drop type stuff.
I also had the fortune of getting to see some upcoming Oracle JDeveloper builds which also incorporate very nice functionality for JavaServer Faces. The Oracle stuff looks very promising and I'm quite excited about it.
I just added a link to my Java Server Faces page for Project Rave:
http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/
-James Struts Console http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/
-----Original Message-----
From: Davidson, Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:34 PM
To: 'Struts Developers List'
Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro
James, Your site is most helpful, thanks. I was wondering if you had any additional details on potential JSF developer products and/or any idea when we might be able to start using JSF? Are there any tools planned for migrating Struts applications to JSF? JSF is clearly something we want to know more about.
Glenn
-----Original Message----- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:19 PM To: 'Struts Developers List' Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro
I'd recommend you have a look at JavaServer Faces (JSF). I'm at JavaOne right now and Sun -- along with other vendors -- is putting some serious resources into developer productivity by way of JSF. I have put together a page on my website with more info on Java Server Faces:
http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/
-James Struts Console http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/
-----Original Message-----
From: Davidson, Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Struts Developers List'
Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro
Chris, I tend to agree with your assessment of JavaPro but I'd like to open this up a little. Right now we are faced with two choices for web development .Net or not .Net. I can over-simplify the arguments for and against .Net as the following:
.NET Pluses Developer Productivity Negatives Vendor lock in.
Others (including Struts) Pluses No vendor lock in Negatives Less developer Productivity
It seems like many if not most companies are more interested in developer productivity.
Does anyone know of, or foresee any means by which we (developers) will be able to be as productive using Struts/JSP/DHTML/JavaScript etc. as people are using .Net? I'd love to be able to make a case against .Net .
Thanks
Glenn
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Gerrard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stuts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro
I found this announcement today on JavaPro's August Issue online "In
Brief" site: http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_08/magazine/departments/inbrief/de
faul
t.asp
The blurb:
Developer Tools
TurboM2
Tired of waiting for The Apache Group to get its act together with the Struts initiative, Virtuas has launched a framework of its own. Virtuas released TurboM2 previously under the name Web Application Model (WAM). Since then, the company decided to alter the product to perform many of
the features Struts offers, and like Struts will be released under the open source model.
There's more, but on casual inspection it appears that JavaPro has
simply regurgitated some marketing poo from Virtuas intended to convey the impression that Struts is in a funk and not moving forward. (so one
should naturally move to Virtuas' TurboM2 product)
Upon casual inspection it appears that TurboM2 is a fairly direct clone
of Struts. On of Virtuas' value-added claims is that TurboM2 has available support and training that Struts does not.
Links: Virtuas TurboM2: http://www.turbom2.org/index.html Struts/TurboM2 comparison: http://www.turbom2.org/docs/Comparison.pdf
The part that disturbs me is JavaPro's presenting this whole pile as if
it were truth. Someone reading this article could well be persuaded that
yes, indeed, Struts is in trouble and they should look elsewhere. I've been
less than impressed with JavaPro's content for some time, and this erodes my confidence in their editorial control and knowledge of the Java world
even further.
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