On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 17:47 -0500, Ted Husted wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:53:58 -0800, Nadeem Bitar wrote:
> > If for example JSF 2.0 is available, and Spring Framework is well
> > integrated with JSF before Struts 2.0 is available, I strongly
> > believe that struts won't have a place and would lose market shares.
> 
> First let's be very clear. 
> 
> It's *not* about "market share". 
> 


I have to disagree with you on this one. Struts is the defacto standard
because of its market share. It is well documented, it has a healthy
community, and struts talent is available easily, because of its market
share. 


> Struts does not need market-share to survive. All we need is a community of 
> developers who use the product and want to help support it.

A community of developers would support a product only if they believe
in it. Many hard core struts users and developers are migrating to other
frameworks and this is a loss for the whole community. Struts 2.0 would
have a chance to bridge the gap between struts and other frameworks.
Since Struts 2.0 is still on the drawing board I am only advocating to
do it right even if that means breaking backward compatibility and
making major architecture changes. 




>  How many downloads we realize isn't important. Whether 90% or whether 10% of 
> shipping applications use Struts isn't important. What's important is that Struts 
> works well for the people who do want to use it, and that those people want to do 
> the work to make it better. 
> 
> Of course, if we all find that JSF does most of what we all need, and we want to use 
> it in our own applications, then Struts will quickly become whatever other JSF 
> components we need to ship our own applications. But so long as products like JSF 
> leave out components that real-life applications need, there will always be a 
> Struts. From the beginning, it's always been about providing axles between the 
> wheels that Java already has.
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> 
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