It is interesting that this whole thing is coming to light, because the reason I
dismissed Barracuda is that it seemed more oriented towards Page Author stuff
than Struts or Expresso. Shows how a guy can get the wrong impression.
And yes, Christian, it did irritate me to be referred to as a Page Author type,
more because I am not a type, I hope, Page Author or otherwise. I can make a
logical choice without being a type. Seem a silly point eh?
Christian Cryder wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Yeah, upon re-reading I definitely can see your point. Certainly not my
> intention to demean anyone. And, upon further reflection, I probably need to
> qualify my statements about Struts' target audience as well...let's see if
> you find this any better:
>
> --------------
> The Barracuda Presentation framework is built as a series of layers that
> depend on the Servlet 2.2+ API, each of which can be used independently of
> one another. In terms of audience, Barracuda definitely aims at the Java
> Developer end of the spectrum (with the idea that tools integration will
> ultimately make the approach more accessible to Page Author types).
>
> ...<snip>...
>
> Unlike Barracuda, Struts is aimed primarily at the Page Author types. This
> is not to say that Struts does not require Java coding--after all, you still
> need developer types to implement Tag libraries and write Controller code.
> Rather it aims to suggest that it is Page Authors who will get the most
> mileage from the framework; if you do not adopt a JSP strategy for rendering
> views, the value of Struts is greatly diminished.
> --------------
>
> Does this help at all? Or am I just making everyone mad?
>
> I'm not trying to demean Struts or Page Authors here, but rather to
> illustrate a subtle-yet-significant (in my mind at least). It seems to me
> that Struts doesn't offer a whole lot for those who don't want to go the JSP
> route. This seems to be evidenced by the fact (at least in my perception)
> that there are not many people using Struts who are not ALSO using JSPs.
>
> This is not necessarily a bad thing, after all, the converse is equally
> true--Barracuda doesn't offer much if you ARE committed to JSPs. I'm just
> trying to explain why I feel that Struts is more oriented towards page
> author types.
>
> Christian
> ------------------------------------------------
> Christian Cryder [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Barracuda - MVC Component Framework for Webapps
> http://barracuda.enhydra.org
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> "What a great time to be a Geek"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Assenza, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:34 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: Barracuda vs. Struts (request for review)
> >
> >
> > I haven't read it all yet (and would like to - Barracuda looks
> > intriguing),
> > but:
> >
> > "Barracuda definitely aims at the Java Developer end of the spectrum (with
> > the idea that tools integration will ultimately bridge the gap to less
> > sophisticated Page Author types)."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "Unlike Barracuda, Struts is aimed squarely at the Page Author types"
> >
> > "Less sophisticated" sounds really arrogant, demeaning and is
> > clearly biased
> > - and that's not even the meat of the presentation. :p
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended nor do I think anyone should be, but
> > that tone so early on changed my perception almost instantaneously. There
> > are better ways to say what you are trying to communicate IMO, and little
> > phrases like that really do count.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > Christopher Assenza
> > Phone: 412.201.6026
> > Fax: 412.201.6060
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christian Cryder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:31 PM
> > To: Struts-User
> > Subject: Barracuda vs. Struts (request for review)
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I've put together a fairly detailed architectural comparison of Struts vs.
> > Barracuda:
> > http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_v
> s_struts.h
> tml
>
> While I've tried to keep the document fair and even-handed, it's quite
> possible that I've not given Struts a fair shake (since I don't know Struts
> that well after all). At any rate, I wanted to give you Struts experts a
> chance to review the document and correct any misunderstandings I might
> have. If you think I've really botched something, please let me know and
> I'll try to make it better. My goal here is to represent both frameworks as
> accurately as possible.
>
> Thanks much,
> Christian
> ------------------------------------------------
> Christian Cryder [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Barracuda - MVC Component Framework for Webapps
> http://barracuda.enhydra.org
> ------------------------------------------------
> "What a great time to be a Geek"
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