> But
> you would be creaking and struggling if you did not piggy bank
> Struts with J2EE features.
Sorry, but I disagree completely. Whether or not Struts is an appropriate
framework for any given project is completely independent of whether J2EE is
or is not useful on that project.
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Martin Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Pilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Any Struts User uses the Expresso Framework ?
>
> What I was trying to say was metaphorically speaking
> comparing different boxing weight divisions.
>
> Raw JSP Servlets is featherweight
>
> Struts is a light weight flyweight
>
> Expresso is medium weight
>
> WebSphere / Oracle AS / JBoss / Enhydra / BEA are heavy weight
> because they guarantee Enterprise level features. (You can usually
> start with a raw standard "J2EE Server" then buy extras like
> a personalisation server or portal server.)
>
> What I am saying is just because you are using Struts that you cant
> write an enterprise level portal site like `support.dell.com'. But
> you would be creaking and struggling if you did not piggy bank
> Struts with J2EE features.
>
> The increase of scale goes up (ie the weight) with what the framework
> can do. You can have high level of security, transaction integrity,
> and business confidence if you choose one of J2EE app server with
> the supplementary portal product.
>
> I like what I see of Struts so far. It is lightweight it is at the level
> of "intermediate web application development". It is easy to get
> into. It is popular , because are two Wrox books about it already
> "Programming JSP 2nd Edition" and "Web App Prog 1st Edition" (I think?).
> Best of all it is an MVC framework that works, although it is not
> a mission critical piece of firmware.
>
> The last part is important because my boss, and his boss, and his boss
> want to know that my development ideas are sound. I can see the
> "Cost/Benefit" memo wafting over to me now.
>
> Any one want to add categories for a super heavy division?
>
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> From: Peter Pilgrim/DMGIT/DMG UK/DeuBa@DMG UK on 30/08/2001 16:53
>
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>
>
> It depends what you need in the end. I would say
>
> "Struts is a lighter weight framework for developing web applications"
>
> "Expresso is a medium weight framework developing database-driven
> web applications"
>
> If you do not need to scalability, distributable server, transaction safe,
> robust, component architecture then you dont need
> an J2EE application server.
>
> If you do need talk to database often, need a lot of grunt taken
> out of writing your own object to relational table mapping. If
> you also want dont want to write your own security. If you want
> security already for your servlets, actions, then I'd say
> Expresso is worth looking for.
>
> If you want to roll your security, user profile, and have simple
> requirements for mapping objects to database table, can
> live a basic form security, which roll on on your won,
> then you can live with Struts.
>
> The problem web app is that the technology is moving
> faster. First there were Servlet, then JSPs, and now
> we have frameworks. It's the old trade off issues again
> "time to market, time to customers" you decide. I know I dont
> want to go back to pure Java Servlets again in hurry. That's my word.
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> From: Robert Domachevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 30/08/2001 11:39 AST
>
> Please respond to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> To: Peter Pilgrim/DMGIT/DMG UK/DeuBa@DMG UK
> cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Any Struts User uses the Expresso Framework ?
>
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> I run a small shop which has been learning Expresso. I am concerned
about
> the duplication of functionality and resulting confusion between Expresso
> 4.0 and Struts that Pete Carapetyan expressed in his message a few days
> ago. Being a core contributer to Expresso do you have any comments. I am
> starting to think that maybe I am better off just using Struts because of
> the much larger interest in Struts vs Expresso.
>
> Bob Domachevsky
> Ansco
> 514.488.2020
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Pilgrim [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:07 PM
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> Subject: Any Struts User uses the Expresso Framework ?
>
> Hi
>
> Now that I was __bloodied__ my fingers with raw jakarta Struts.
> It 's looking quite good. I can feel the power.
>
> I wonder if any struts users are using the Expresso Framework 4.0 ea
> which integrates the Struts Release 1.0. I am a Core contributer
> with Expresso Framework so that why I am asking.
>
> http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/products/java.html
> http://www.jcorporate.com/
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