----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net


> I think I was better off not sending that last email,
> especially on a Friday.  :)
> Thanks for education.
>
> - Malcolm
>
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:09 PM
>   >> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>   >> Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> TGIF
>   >> ----- Original Message -----
>   >> From: "Cakalic, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'"
>   >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:02 PM
>   >> Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> >
>   >> > == Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
>   >> >
>   >> > > -----Original Message-----
>   >> > > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:57 PM
>   >> > > To: 'Wes Bramhall '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' '
>   >> > > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >> > >
>   >> > >
>   >> > >  ROTFLMAO!
>   >> > >
>   >> > > Mark
>   >> > >
>   >> > > -----Original Message-----
>   >> > > From: Wes Bramhall
>   >> > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>   >> > > Sent: 2/22/02 2:52 PM
>   >> > > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >> > >
>   >> > > But it's Friday now, so SSS is allowed, right?
>   >> > >
>   >> > > (SSS = Small Scale Spamming)
>   >> > >
>   >> > > -----Original Message-----
>   >> > > From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:45 PM
>   >> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
>   >> > > Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >> > >
>   >> > >
>   >> > > I thought we had abandoned this thread in
>   >> favor of Struts related
>   >> > > questions
>   >> > > =)
>   >> > >
>   >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>   >> > > From: "David Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
>   >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:41 PM
>   >> > > Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >> > >
>   >> > >
>   >> > > > I'm staying out of this discussion, but
>   >> to answer your question --
>   >> > > >
>   >> > > > IMNSHO = In My Not So Humble Opinion
>   >> > > >
>   >> > > > --David
>   >> > > >
>   >> > > > On Friday 22 February 2002 01:03 pm, you wrote:
>   >> > > > > IMNSHO?  What the hell is that?  Man,
>   >> the colloquial shortcuts are
>   >> > > getting
>   >> > > > > hairy these days.... :)
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>   >> > > > > From: Edward Q. Bridges
>   >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   >> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:15 AM
>   >> > > > > To: dIon Gillard; Struts Users Mailing List
>   >> > > > > Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > "location independence" means
>   >> independent of location,
>   >> > > that is all.
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > if you're implementing two interfaces
>   >> to do (more or
>   >> > > less) the exact
>   >> > > same
>   >> > > > > thing, and one is called "local" and
>   >> one is called
>   >> > > "remote" that is
>   >> > > > > absolutely *not*, by any stretch of
>   >> the imagination,  "location
>   >> > > > > independent". _end of story_.
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > with EJBs the method call does not
>   >> "appear" to be remote,
>   >> > > because it
>   >> > > is
>   >> > > > > *explicitly* remote.  the method is in
>   >> a "RemoteInterface" and
>   >> > > throws a
>   >> > > > > "RemoteException" for crying out loud!
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > furthermore, it's not about box1 vs
>   >> box12.  to be more
>   >> > > precise, it's
>   >> > > about
>   >> > > > > vm1 vs. vm12.  and, if you are writing
>   >> a client, your client has
>   >> > > business
>   >> > > > > logic to take care of.  it's the
>   >> servers responsibility
>   >> > > to determine
>   >> > > > > whether it should call a method at vm1
>   >> or at vm12.
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > IMNSHO, this is the achilles heel of EJB.
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > --e--
>   >> > > > >
>   >> > > > > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 05:24:22 +1100,
>   >> dIon Gillard wrote:
>   >> > > > > >The method call can take place
>   >> anywhere, but always appears to be
>   >> > > > > >remote. That could be many remote
>   >> machines though. Location
>   >> > > independence
>   >> > > > > >is not about local vs remote, it's
>   >> more about box1 vs box12.
>   >> > > >
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