Actually, in all the market slump and government funding cutbacks, our
CS department is growing-- dramatically, in addition, it's accredited
for CS, so it's not second rate ;-)

Jacob Hookom
University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire

| -----Original Message-----
| From: Smiley, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:33 PM
| To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
| Subject: RE: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
| 
| It sounds like they are using XP just to go cheap on outfitting the
labs.
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:30 PM
| To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
| Subject: RE: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
| 
| 
| Our CS program on campus is going all XP development.  Granted they
make
| us learn how to do all of the Design/Requirement/Analysis FUD, but our
| new labs are all setup for group programming around 2 or 3 monitors at
| once in a corner desk.  If anything, it makes you write more flexible
| code, with less emphasis on "here, you do this part about JDBC, and we
| will meet again in 3 days".  No one learns then, and I think the same
| could be applied to the work environment.
| 
| -Jacob
| 
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: Cliff Rowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| | Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:01 PM
| | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| | Subject: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
| |
| | A bit of off-topic, but it's Friday, so there :)
| |
| | Today I read an new article on IBM developerWorks on eXtreme
| | Programming, in which the author pretty much sorts the wheat from
the
| | chaff in explaining XP, and I am very interested.  I'd avoided XP in
| the
| | past because all the FUD that surrounds it made it difficult for me
to
| | determine exactly what it was and what it involved without spending
a
| | significant amount of time researching it (time is money!).
| |
| | Now I am curious as to who is using XP and how true it is to it's
| | promise of increased collaboration, increased productivity and more
| | importantly increased project success rate.
| |
| | Being unedjumucated, I have found it difficult in the past dealing
| with
| | projects in the various ways I have experienced.  I've not had a
great
| | time all in all, with too many horror stories for someone with only
4
| | years professional experience.  I've found myself asking 'why?'
quite
| a
| | lot, and I've always wondered if there was a better way.  This also
| has
| | a lot to do with why I operate as a one man band, and generally try
to
| | avoid 'complicated' development.
| |
| | If anyone has any views on XP or any real world world experience
with
| | it, I'd love to hear about it.  It appears that XP is being more
| widely
| | adopted these days, with JUnit and various other tools available
that
| | support the XP processes.
| |
| | The article is here, for anyone interested:
| | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-xp0813/?n-j-8152
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| |
| | Regards
| |
| | -------------------------------------------
| |  Cliff Rowley        |     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| |  Software Engineer   |   www.doctype.co.uk
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