I know exactly what you are saying!  However, since I started using vi about
6 months ago, my knowledge of the Java J2SE and J2EE API has increased
10-fold because I cannot use the tool-tip (dot-completion) crutch.  Instead,
I have to actually READ the damn thing and make my own assessment of what is
appropriate.  Then compile and run...oops!  That wasn't the right method
...must...try...something...else...read...the...documentation.

:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:13 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Id be lost without my JBuilder.... since I started using it my brains
ability to store details of method names and parameters has dropped to zero.
Without my helpful tooltips Id be taking that second option :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 19:10
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I love Swing.
hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. Using it
however... urrrgh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0


Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's editorial in the
10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM

Struts Console is Swing not SWT.

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