You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in
corporate America.  I was making an extreme point.  If this offends you,
perhaps you take yourself too seriously.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM
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Now we're onto Hitler?  This is way too off topic even for posts designated 
[OT].

David



>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
>development
>Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500
>
><soapbox>
>That is way too simplistic, dude.  Creativity is the catalyst for 
>innovation.  Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose 
>innovation.  American innovation have been so great over the centuries 
>because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the first 
>to patent a new innovation.  That's what drove productivity and profits 
>from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable 
>parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software.  What 
>Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by 
>short-sighted people interested more often than not with their 
>immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a 
>theoretical policy.  Even a fascist pig like Hitler was responsible for 
>the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not because he 
>dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to 
>innovate. </soapbox>
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for 
>development
>
>
>I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel.
>
>"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it
>will
>not be required at the office." No, that is your company...Landsend by the
>looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more innovations per
>capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries. Landsend, and
>most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating factor to
>innovate. Michael Lee
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM
>Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for 
>development
>
>
>As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for
>geographical/religious
>reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer in this
>town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while the stuff
>flowing downhill is crazier than usual.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM
> >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for 
> >development
> >
> >
> >That sucks!  I would have to be desperate to work in such an 
> >environment!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM
> >
> >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us 
> >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost 
> >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that 
> >once you're using WAS,
> >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're
> >going to lock
> >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use
> >instead.
> >
> >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, 
> >it will not be required at the office.
> >
> >Simon
> >
> >
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