> The work that you do with JSTL, and therefore in JSP pages instead of  
> actions, involves activities like iterating over data, conditional  
> tests, accessing URLs, i18n, xml manipulation and database access.  
> Except for database updates and transactions, all of those activities  
> are well within the perview of a view.

So you're advocating placing some database logic in the view and some in
Java classes?  I've had to maintain apps written that way and it was a
complete nightmare.  The view has absolutely no business querying the
database in all but the simplest apps (3 pages max).

David

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> 
> david
> 
> >
> > I'm open to views against mine, and I also wouldn't dismiss the advise
>  
> > of the folks who developed struts, but whenever I read "use JSLT" it  
> > seems to me  a step backwards.
> >
> > On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Hookom, Jacob wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Start using it and you will :-).  The expression language is the best
> >> thing since sliced bread.
> >>
> >> David
> >> I agree, I'm even using the EL parser to do stuff on completely  
> >> different
> >> layers for scripting logic.  Also, you can VERY easily use JSTL's  
> >> parsing
> >> objects in your own tags to make them a little more flexible.
> >> Jacob
> >>
> >>>
> >>> - Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:51 AM
> >>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>> Subject: RE: Using JSTL tags instead of Struts tags
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use are
> >>> html
> >>> and tiles.  I replaced my usage of the bean tags with the  
> >>> <fmt:message>
> >>> tag and the Struts logic tags are all replaced with a combination of
>  
> >>> the
> >>> <c:if> and <c:forEach> tags plus the expression language.
> >>>
> >>> The JSPs are remarkably easy to maintain and debug using this  
> >>> strategy
> >>> because there aren't any scriptlets or complicated business logic in
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> --- "Kamholz, Keith   (corp-staff) USX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> I'd be interested in finding out about this too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: White, Joshua A (HTSC, CASD)
> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:30 AM
> >>>> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >>>> Subject: Using JSTL tags instead of Struts tags
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A previous thread had encouraged me to look into JSTL.  It looks  
> >>>> like
> >>>> there
> >>>> are several tags which I could use instead of Struts tags.  Has  
> >>>> anyone
> >>>> come
> >>>> across any documentation about experiences doing this (benefits,
> >>>> drawbacks,
> >>>> caveats)?  Anyone care to share their experience?
> >>>>
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