On 10 Dec 2009, at 14:58, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Paul Fox <p...@laptop.org> wrote: >> benjamin wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 22:43 -0500, Art Hunkins wrote: >> > > I've now got whole-screen scrollbars working well in my music >> activities, >> > > but I'd like to make the bars wider. The automatic settings (as used in >> most >> > > activities) are too narrow for my taste. >> > >> > First of all I would like to say: Please do not play with themes, just >> > because you don't like something that much ... (especially should you >> > dislike them in general and not only in your activity) >> > >> > Other than that. IIRC the reason for the scrollbars to be that narrow >> > was the plan to use the Grab-Key+Touchpad for scrolling. This means that >> > the main purpose of the scorllbar is to show the position, but not to >> > use the handle itself for scrolling. >> >> and just in case it's not clear from the above -- the grab-key+touchpad >> feature is present in XO-1.5 releases, and available for the XO-1 if the >> olpc-kbdshim package is installed. > > I was a proponent for grab scrolling in the early days of Sugar at > OLPC. However, it seems clear now that, without customized hardware > (which was the assumption back then) this solution simply isn't viable > as an intuitive and discoverable way to navigate content. I think that > retaining the functionality via some other mapping or shortcut would > be nice (especially to offer the functionality as designed on the XO > hardware itself), but I don't see reason not to improve the usability > of Sugar on all platforms by increasing the scrollbars to a more > manageable width.
I'd argue the narrow scrollbar width is still a relevant design choice, being there to indicate document length and current view location into it. Most non-XO hardware platforms are very likely to have their own hardware support for a scroll wheel type behaviour. I very rarely need to drag a scrollbar these days, it's all two fingered scrolling which works fine in Sugar on a VM (though we could do with a control panel to adjust sensitivity). Regards, --Gary > Of course, in addition to this we should make sure that wherever > possible the scrollbars are given every last pixel up to the edge of > the screen, so that they become, effectively infinite in width (or > height, when horizontal), thus making them difficult to miss. > > Eben > > >> paul >> =--------------------- >> paul fox, p...@laptop.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel