FWIW, I have seen lots of kids ages 6-8 who know what a scrollbar is, but have a hard time mousing it up and down when using SoaS, even on a larger screen such as the Dell Latitude 2100 education netbook.
Sean On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: > On 10 Dec 2009, at 14:58, Eben Eliason wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Paul Fox <p...@laptop.org> wrote: >>> benjamin wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 22:43 -0500, Art Hunkins wrote: >>> > > I've now got whole-screen scrollbars working well in my music >>> activities, >>> > > but I'd like to make the bars wider. The automatic settings (as used >>> in most >>> > > activities) are too narrow for my taste. >>> > >>> > First of all I would like to say: Please do not play with themes, just >>> > because you don't like something that much ... (especially should you >>> > dislike them in general and not only in your activity) >>> > >>> > Other than that. IIRC the reason for the scrollbars to be that narrow >>> > was the plan to use the Grab-Key+Touchpad for scrolling. This means that >>> > the main purpose of the scorllbar is to show the position, but not to >>> > use the handle itself for scrolling. >>> >>> and just in case it's not clear from the above -- the grab-key+touchpad >>> feature is present in XO-1.5 releases, and available for the XO-1 if the >>> olpc-kbdshim package is installed. >> >> I was a proponent for grab scrolling in the early days of Sugar at >> OLPC. However, it seems clear now that, without customized hardware >> (which was the assumption back then) this solution simply isn't viable >> as an intuitive and discoverable way to navigate content. I think that >> retaining the functionality via some other mapping or shortcut would >> be nice (especially to offer the functionality as designed on the XO >> hardware itself), but I don't see reason not to improve the usability >> of Sugar on all platforms by increasing the scrollbars to a more >> manageable width. > > I'd argue the narrow scrollbar width is still a relevant design choice, being > there to indicate document length and current view location into it. Most > non-XO hardware platforms are very likely to have their own hardware support > for a scroll wheel type behaviour. I very rarely need to drag a scrollbar > these days, it's all two fingered scrolling which works fine in Sugar on a VM > (though we could do with a control panel to adjust sensitivity). > > Regards, > --Gary > >> Of course, in addition to this we should make sure that wherever >> possible the scrollbars are given every last pixel up to the edge of >> the screen, so that they become, effectively infinite in width (or >> height, when horizontal), thus making them difficult to miss. >> >> Eben >> >> >>> paul >>> =--------------------- >>> paul fox, p...@laptop.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel