Hello Jakob, "A <busStop> defines a place and direction for stopping, (because it is on a specific lane and lanes are directional)".
Yes, I missed the direction aspect of a bus stop. In my example, my up and down stops are the same, so I devised the route with a relevant set of edges for having a cyclic (upstream and downstream). As you pointed out, I have to learn a lot about the network file and its properties. Also, I need to define depots so that layover time can be defined at depots not at bus stops. Thanks a lot, I am moving ahead with these inputs, really helpful. with best regards, Dillip Rout On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 12:26, Jakob Erdmann <namdre.s...@gmail.com> wrote: > The error is correct because each of the stops must fit into a single loop > of the route. > I think there is a misunderstanding on your part abut the nature of > busStop definitions in SUMO: > A <busStop> defines a place and direction for stopping, (because it is on > a specific lane and lanes are directional). > > Your sequence of stops is: > > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> > > due to the 'repeat=2' this gets turned into: > > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> > > As you can see, you have lots of successive stops at the same stop (and > this was true even without repeat). This schedule doesn't make sense to me. > Usually successive stops are on different busStops. > If you are trying to encode the down direction, than you would usually do > this by driving the vehicle on the other side of the road. This requires > additional stops on the other side of the road. After defining the > appropriate busStops You would get something like this: > > <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> > <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> > <stop busStop="*busStop#11_down*" until="540"/> > <stop busStop="*busStop#10_down*" until="660" duration="300"/> > > regards, > Jakob > > > > > > Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 07:07 Uhr schrieb Tripplanner Mumbai < > tripplanner...@gmail.com>: > >> Hello @Jakob, >> I am using Eclipse *SUMO Version v1_6_0+0676-d20520c106* at present. >> Well, if I do this - edges "22 59 53cd 53[0] 53[1][0] 53[1][1][0] >> 77[1][0] 77ab 77bc 21a 21b 103 14 9 211 45 44 38 15 24" it works, but the >> last stop (which is origin in upstream and destination in downstream, >> highlighted in bold) has to be excluded from the list of stops, otherwise >> error occurs. >> <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> >> <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> >> <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> >> *<stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> (not >> allowed if edge list is shortened)* >> >> Anyway, I am attaching my code with all necessary files, kindly check and >> suggest. >> >> thanks and regards, >> Dillip Rout >> >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 00:31, Jakob Erdmann <namdre.s...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Possibly your simulation is running afoul of >>> https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/issues/7036 (which I hope I mentioned >>> already). >>> A route with edges "22 59 53cd 53[0] 53[1][0] 53[1][1][0] 77[1][0] 77ab >>> 77bc 21a 21b 103 14 9 211 45 44 38 15 24" should work with the latest >>> development version (not 1.6.0). If not, feel free to send me your >>> simulation files so I can take a look. >>> >>> regards, >>> Jakob >>> >>> >>> Am Mo., 15. Juni 2020 um 19:05 Uhr schrieb Tripplanner Mumbai < >>> tripplanner...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hello Jakob, >>>> Thank you for your example, I tried to imitate it and it worked. >>>> Actually, my intuition was right, but I struggled in understanding the >>>> network properties. For instance, a connection from an edge to the same >>>> edge is not trivial, look at the below example. Just notice the bold edges >>>> which are extra, my actual route ends at 22. >>>> <route id="11" edges="22 59 53cd 53[0] 53[1][0] 53[1][1][0] >>>> 77[1][0] 77ab 77bc 21a 21b 103 14 9 211 45 44 38 15 24 22 *59 53cd 82 >>>> 51 19*" repeat="2" period="800"> >>>> <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="0"/> >>>> <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="120" duration="300"/> >>>> <stop busStop="busStop#11" until="540"/> >>>> <stop busStop="busStop#10" until="660" duration="300"/> >>>> </route> >>>> <flow id="bus_11" begin="0" end="3600" period="240" >>>> departLane="best" line="11" type="bus" route="11"/> >>>> If I remove the edges in bold, then the simulation throws an error that >>>> there is no connection from 22 to 22. Then, I tried to insert one >>>> artificial connection in my network file but it was not accepted and the >>>> simulation stopped due to an error in the network. >>>> >>>> The issue in defining such a route is that the travel time or round >>>> trip time of a public transit line (or route) is not maintained well, some >>>> void time is unnecessarily used. It may result in additional waiting time, >>>> and/or unsatisfied demand. >>>> Kindly, suggest if you have any sort of remedy for it. >>>> >>>> Thank you again for your support and examples. >>>> >>>> with best regards, >>>> Dillip Rout >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 13:36, Jakob Erdmann <namdre.s...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Dillip Rout: Please take a look at >>>>> https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/tree/master/tests/sumo/basic/routes/parsing/repeat_flow_busstop >>>>> @Chris Weinhaupl: You need to add the 'repeat' attribute in your route >>>>> definition to define additional laps >>>>> >>>>> Am Mo., 15. Juni 2020 um 08:30 Uhr schrieb Tripplanner Mumbai < >>>>> tripplanner...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Jakob, >>>>>> I tried something similar to your example: >>>>>> <route id="r0" edges="SC CN NC CS" repeat="2" period="100"> >>>>>> <stop lane="SC_0" endPos="50" until="20"/> >>>>>> <stop lane="CN_0" endPos="50" until="65"/> >>>>>> </route> >>>>>> <flow id="0" route="r0" begin="10" end="211" period="200"/> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is observed that vehicles assigned to such a line (public transit >>>>>> route) are indeed taking multiple trips as per the definition and the >>>>>> relative time values are maintained. Each of these assigned vehicles >>>>>> always >>>>>> run from start to end terminal, in this example, stop lane="SC_0" is >>>>>> always >>>>>> the start and one direction. However, none of the assigned vehicles are >>>>>> restarting from the end terminal to the start terminal, in this example, >>>>>> stop lane="CN_0" is never a start. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I am trying to point out is that an assigned vehicle of a line >>>>>> starts at one terminal and goes to the other terminal (upstream journey). >>>>>> Then, the vehicle starts from the other terminal and comes back to start >>>>>> (downstream journey). Nevertheless, the simulation in SUMO always logs >>>>>> only >>>>>> the upstream journey although the vehicle is actually making the >>>>>> downstream >>>>>> journey as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I extended your example (bold) to force the vehicle of the line to >>>>>> halt at downstream journey too: >>>>>> <route id="r0" edges="SC CN NC CS" repeat="2" period="100"> >>>>>> <stop lane="SC_0" endPos="50" until="20"/> >>>>>> <stop lane="CN_0" endPos="50" until="65" *duration="120"*/> >>>>>> *<stop lane="CN_0" endPos="50" until="205"/>* >>>>>> </route> >>>>>> <flow id="0" route="r0" begin="10" end="211" period="200"/> >>>>>> However, it did not produce the desired result. >>>>>> >>>>>> I request you to suggest something by which both upstream and >>>>>> downstream journey of each vehicle of the route will be captured. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks and regards, >>>>>> Dillip Rout >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 04:03, Chris Weinhaupl < >>>>>> chrisweinha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This creates 4 vehicles that will lap the route. >>>>>>> The bus will stop at the first stop, however on the second lap the >>>>>>> vehicle will not stop at the busStop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the assistance, what may I change make the same vehicle >>>>>>> repeat and stop at the first stop on the second/third/forth lap etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <route id="r_north_to_city" edges="north gneE0 city gneE1"> >>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>> </route> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <flow id="ns" route="r_north_to_city" begin="10" end="1000" >>>>>>> period="200" type="12passenger"/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:30 AM Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>> namdre.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The following example (from >>>>>>>> https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/tree/master/tests/sumo/basic/routes/parsing/repeat_flow_stops >>>>>>>> ) defines >>>>>>>> 2 buses that run a looped route 3 times each (initial run and 2 >>>>>>>> repeats). The 'until' times are relative to the flow vehicle >>>>>>>> departures (at >>>>>>>> time 0 and 200) and the period parameter defines by how much the until >>>>>>>> times are shifted on each repeat. >>>>>>>> Taken together there are 12 vehicle stops in this simulation (2 >>>>>>>> stops per route x 3 repeats x 2 buses). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <route id="r0" edges="SC CN NC CS" repeat="2" period="100"> >>>>>>>> <stop lane="SC_0" endPos="50" until="20"/> >>>>>>>> <stop lane="CN_0" endPos="50" until="65"/> >>>>>>>> </route> >>>>>>>> <flow id="0" route="r0" begin="10" end="211" period="200"/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am Fr., 12. Juni 2020 um 06:27 Uhr schrieb Tripplanner Mumbai < >>>>>>>> tripplanner...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> As per the documentation ( >>>>>>>>> https://sumo.dlr.de/docs/Definition_of_Vehicles,_Vehicle_Types,_and_Routes.html#repeated_routes), >>>>>>>>> repeat is similar to frequency, am I correct?. >>>>>>>>> Or, the frequency is similar to vehsPerHour defined in flow ( >>>>>>>>> https://sumo.dlr.de/docs/Definition_of_Vehicles,_Vehicle_Types,_and_Routes.html#repeated_vehicles_flows >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> For any public transit route or line, the fleet size is fixed, >>>>>>>>> those vehicles make to and fro motion through the designated stops in >>>>>>>>> various trips. >>>>>>>>> Please let me know, >>>>>>>>> thank you, >>>>>>>>> Dillip Rout >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 08:33, Tripplanner Mumbai < >>>>>>>>> tripplanner...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> I have the same issue, that is, tried to simulate bus service. >>>>>>>>>> For a line (or public transit route), several vehicles (fleet) >>>>>>>>>> repeatedly >>>>>>>>>> make many trips according to headway (period in SUMO) or frequency. >>>>>>>>>> As per >>>>>>>>>> the suggestions @Jackob, I tried the following. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <route id="14" edges="78[0] 56a 56b 77bc 77cd 53cd 53[0] 78[1][1] >>>>>>>>>> 189[0] 189[1][0]+20000 189[1][1] 188 87[0] 20001+87[1][0] 87[1][1] >>>>>>>>>> m90 >>>>>>>>>> 89[0] 20002+89[1][0] 89[1][1] 91 186 109[0] 109[1][0]+20003 >>>>>>>>>> 109[1][1] 116 >>>>>>>>>> 46 134 134b 133 31 115 110 185 92 90 m91 88 187 190 77[0] 53[1][0] >>>>>>>>>> 53[1][1][0] 77[1][0] 77ab 77bc 77cd 53cd 53[0] 78[1][1] 189[0] >>>>>>>>>> 189[1][0]+20000"> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#31" until="0"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#32" until="120"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#33" until="240"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#34" until="360"/> >>>>>>>>>> <!--stop busStop="busStop#21" until="480" >>>>>>>>>> duration="600"/--> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#21" until="480"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#22" unitl="1080"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#9" unitl="1200"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#6" unitl="1320"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#3" unitl="1440"/> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#2" unitl="1560"/> >>>>>>>>>> <!--stop busStop="busStop#31" unitl="1680" >>>>>>>>>> duration="600"/--> >>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop#31" unitl="1680" duration="600"/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> </route> >>>>>>>>>> <flow id="bus_14" begin="0" end="3600" period="240" >>>>>>>>>> departLane="best" line="14" type="bus" route="14"/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, it resulted in (i) infinite loop, simulated did not end >>>>>>>>>> (ii) no lines or vehicles are repeated as per the output files. >>>>>>>>>> I am also waiting to see a solution to it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks and regards, >>>>>>>>>> Dillip Rout >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 07:07, Chris Weinhaupl < >>>>>>>>>> chrisweinha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks @namdre >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like 70 buses to repeat a 40km loop stopping at defined >>>>>>>>>>> busstops along the way. >>>>>>>>>>> I tried re-router but I cant make the bus stop the second time >>>>>>>>>>> around. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried to figure out a config that matches your >>>>>>>>>>> suggestion.(just below). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> May I ask for a sample config of a repeating transit bus. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone. >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Notes from Github: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what your question is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - if you want to keep the same vehicle circulation (vehicle >>>>>>>>>>> id stays the same) then you can either >>>>>>>>>>> - define a vehicle or trip with lots of repeating stops >>>>>>>>>>> - define a route that loops back to the start once and >>>>>>>>>>> uses attribute 'repeat'. then assign that route to a vehicle >>>>>>>>>>> - if you want to keep sending a new vehicle on the same >>>>>>>>>>> route repeatedly you can use a flow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, both things can be combined if you want multiple >>>>>>>>>>> vehicles running the same repeating loop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ref: >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/issues/7127 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @namdre >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For clarification regarding repeating PT. >>>>>>>>>>> I am wanting to have the same type vehicle repeat its route. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried repeating edges and stops in router and flow. >>>>>>>>>>> I think I misunderstood your comments regarding this question: >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/issues/6550 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> <flow id="f1" color="1,1,0" begin="0" end= "3600" >>>>>>>>>>> period="30" type="12passenger"> >>>>>>>>>>> <route edges="north gneE0 city gneE1 north gneE0 city >>>>>>>>>>> gneE1 north gneE0 city gneE1 north gneE0 city gneE1"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> </flow> >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> <route id="r_north_to_city" edges="north gneE0 city gneE1 >>>>>>>>>>> north gneE0 city gneE1 north gneE0 city gneE1 north gneE0 city >>>>>>>>>>> gneE1"> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_north_0_1" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> <stop busStop="busStop_city_0_0" duration="10"/> >>>>>>>>>>> </route> >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sumo-user mailing list >>>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sumo-user mailing list >>> sumo-user@eclipse.org >>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sumo-user mailing list >> sumo-user@eclipse.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >> > _______________________________________________ > sumo-user mailing list > sumo-user@eclipse.org > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >
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