Hi, Do you get an output similar to real life consumption? Can you tell approximately what's the battery consumption per km in your route? In my case, with similar parameter values as yours, in a 100 km highway route at a normal speed, almost 80% of the battery is consumed. That's far from real life consumption.
El sáb, 9 oct 2021 a las 14:44, The div (<[email protected]>) escribió: > Apologies for my classically anglo-centric assumption - in my defence the > consumption reported was absurd! :) > > I hadn't realised the EV model had been added to Sumo and am very > interested in this - I had a look at the model behaviour using my own > vehicle (soul 2020). The consumption values were similarly absurd and a > sensitivity analysis indicated that vehicleMass, radialDragCoefficient and > the efficiency values have most impact on the model. > > For my Soul EV, against a round trip school run for which I have > consistent consumption values, the following gives me model output > comparable to real life. > > <vType id="soulEV" accel="1.0" decel="1.0" length="4.2" maxSpeed="167.0" > sigma="0.0" minGap="2.5" color="1,1,1"> > <param key="has.battery.device" value="true"/> > <param key="maximumBatteryCapacity" value="64000"/> > <param key="maximumPower" value="150000"/> > <!-- wt = 1682kg - payload = 498kg = all passengers - so assume 200kg for > 2 passengers + kit --> > <param key="vehicleMass" value="1882"/> > <!-- height = 1.600, width = 1.800, clearance = .155 front SA = > 1.800*(1.600-0.155) --> > <param key="frontSurfaceArea" value="2.6"/> > <param key="airDragCoefficient" value="0.35"/> > <param key="internalMomentOfInertia" value="0.01"/> > <param key="radialDragCoefficient" value="0.1"/> > <param key="rollDragCoefficient" value="0.01"/> > <param key="constantPowerIntake" value="100"/> > <param key="propulsionEfficiency" value=".98"/> > <param key="recuperationEfficiency" value=".96"/> > <param key="stoppingTreshold" value="0.1"/> > <param key="emissionClass" value="Energy/unknown"/> > </vType> > > I suggest you look at reducing the radialDragCoefficient as I'm pretty > sure that would be much higher for a bus than a Model 3! I have not yet > looked at how these parameters fit with longer/faster (non-urban) routes. > > I'm interested in incorporating temperature impacts into the sumo model - > much more significant for an ev - if no-one is working on this I'd probably > start with the data from https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-range/ and apply > this to the energy consumption/recuperation. > > The question is where the temperature value should be set in sumo - it > feels like setting the value against an edge would be technically accurate > but too granular - whilst setting it for a simulation run may be too > inflexible - any thoughts? > > cheers > div > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Friday, October 1st, 2021 at 07:34, Iñaki Cejudo Fresnadillo via > sumo-user <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, sorry, it's a 50 kWh battery consumed almost entirely in 100 km. > > El jue, 30 sept 2021 a las 18:09, Jakob Erdmann (<[email protected]>) > escribió: > >> maybe... >> >> Am Do., 30. Sept. 2021 um 18:08 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> Spain uses ',' as decimal separator so the '.' in 50.000 is for digit >>> grouping. >>> >>> >>> Am Do., 30. Sept. 2021 um 17:42 Uhr schrieb The div <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Not surprising that a 50 Wh battery is consumed quickly - I don't >>>> believe any current (sic) EV has a capacity that low - try 50 kWh :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> On 30 Sep 2021, 15:45, < [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In the paper Kurczveil, T., López, P.A., Schnieder, E., Implementation >>>> of an Energy Model and a Charging Infrastructure in SUMO >>>> <http://elib.dlr.de/93885/1/Proceeding_SUMO2013_15-17May%202013_Berlin-Adlershof.pdf> >>>> you have an example with an electric bus. Use these parameters in your >>>> vehicle and check if the result is coherent with your expected result. If >>>> not, send me network and route file. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Von:* sumo-user <[email protected]> *Im Auftrag von *Iñaki >>>> Cejudo Fresnadillo via sumo-user >>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. September 2021 14:23 >>>> *An:* [email protected] >>>> *Cc:* Iñaki Cejudo Fresnadillo <[email protected]> >>>> *Betreff:* [sumo-user] EV battery consumption values >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’m working on a simulation of an electric vehicle going from one city >>>> to another. Total distance is 100km and the vehicle has the following >>>> parameters: >>>> >>>> - max speed (m/s) = 33.3 m/s (100 km/h) >>>> >>>> - speedFactor = 1 >>>> >>>> - has.battery.device = true >>>> >>>> - maximumBatteryCapacity (Wh) = 50.000 Wh. >>>> >>>> - maximumPower (W) = 239.000 W. >>>> >>>> - vehicleMass (Kg) = 1700 kg. >>>> >>>> - frontSurfaceArea (m²) = 2.34 m². >>>> >>>> - airDragCoefficient = 0.23. >>>> >>>> - internalMomentOfInertia (kg m²) = 0.01 kg m². >>>> >>>> - radialDragCoefficient = 0.5 >>>> >>>> - rollDragCoefficient = 0.01 >>>> >>>> - constantPowerIntake (W) = 50 W >>>> >>>> - propulsionEfficiency = 0.9. . >>>> >>>> - recuperationEfficiency = 0.9. >>>> >>>> - stoppingTreshold (km/h) = 0.1. >>>> >>>> - actualBatteryCapacity (Wh): 50.000. >>>> >>>> Simulation has 3600 steps, step-length of 1 second. >>>> >>>> The battery output says that the battery has been almost entirely >>>> consumed, and this doesn’t make any sense cause 50.000 Wh of battery >>>> capacity should last for around 300 km. >>>> >>>> Is there any parameter I am misunderstanding or assigning an incorrect >>>> value? >>>> >>>> I am trying to reproduce some features of Tesla Model 3 with >>>> maximumBaterryCapacity, maximumPower and vehicleMass. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> <https://www.vicomtech.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Iñaki Cejudo Fresnadillo* >>>> Research Assistant | Ayudante de Investigación >>>> >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> +[34] 943 30 92 30 >>>> >>>> Intelligent Transport Systems and Engineering | Sistemas de Transporte >>>> Inteligentes e Ingeniería >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/vicomtech> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/VICOMTech> >>>> <https://twitter.com/@Vicomtech> >>>> >>>> >>>> member of: <https://graphicsvision.ai/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *La información que contiene este mensaje y sus adjuntos son >>>> confidenciales y están dirigidos exclusivamente a sus destinatarios. 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