Thanks Jakob for the useful comments,

I was not aware of this tolerancy!

I do already use tide startPos, endPos if I want people to enter. Wonder if I could actually set startPos=endPos if I want to stop the vehicle without letting people in. Let's try.

Best,

Joerg

On 30/05/22 12:02, Jakob Erdmann wrote:
Hi Joerg,
I think the problem should be fixable by doing the following two things:
- set option "--ride.stop-tolerance 0" (whereas the default is 10m)
- define a narrow range for the vehicle stop (startPos, endPos). Note, that you can pick up persons waiting at a busStop even if the vehicle stop is defined with (lane, startPos, endPos).

The ride.stop-tolerane is checked for entry and egress and should also prevent getting out too early. If you cannot get it to work with these suggestions, please send a small scenario that shows the problem.

cheers,
Jakob


Am Mo., 30. Mai 2022 um 10:21 Uhr schrieb joerg <[email protected]>:

    Dear all,

    I observed some unexpected behavior at stops:

    1. persons can enter or leave vehicles at stops, even though the
    vehicle
    is not at the lane where the stop is attached to, but also on
    lanes with
    a higher lane index (means they jump from the platform across
    lanes into
    the vehicle).

    2. I noticed that persons  jump into vehicles even before they
    reached
    their edge-position according to the plan. The only condition to
    board
    seems to be that a vehicles stops in the defined position-range and a
    person just happens to be in this range when the vehicle stops. This
    seems to occur in more recent SUMO versions.

    Unfortunately with such a behavior I cannot selectively pick up
    persons
    with vehicles at dedicated positions, or just park vehicles at
    certain
    positions.

    I've been complaining about this behavior some time ago. I found a
    workaround, but especially the second behavior makes it impossible
    to do
    what I intend. For my purpose access lists do not help, and changing
    vehicle capacity dynamically through TraCi is not possible.

    So maybe someone of you did find a way to handle this type of
    problem.
    Otherwise I'd ask if it were a big issue to change code, there may be
    some really simple ways of fixing:

    - board only if vehicle is on the lane of the stop

    - allow change vehicle capacity through TraCi (one could  lock the
    vehicle by setting capacity to 0 or to the number of persons
    already in
    the vehicle, but that would not prevent persons jumping off the
    vehicle
    whenever it stops)

    - adding a Lock attribute to the vehicle, this would be the best
    solution and also closest to reality.

    Thanks as always for any ideas on this matter.

    Best wishes,

    Joerg



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