This is embarrassing, but I've just repeated the pinhole experiment with the
setting sun which is about 15 degrees high and I must conclude that the
results of my earlier test that I did at noon were flawed. At noon I had
tried to hold the pinhole and projection screen at odd angles to simulate a
setting sun while holding the whole thing in the penumbra (Not to easy a
thing to do).  I must have held them wrong and drawn the wrong conclusion.
Besides, Mac is one of those sundial people who I most respect and I just
couldn't believe he could make a mistake. The solution to convert an
elliptical image into a circle by holding the pinhole parallel to the ground
does not work.

This time, an hour before sunset, my projection screen was horizontal and I
held my 2mm pinhole 1 meter away. I used full sunlight, no penumbra. Holding
it perpendicular to the sun produced an ellipse, and tilting it slowly so
that it is parallel to the ground causes a dimming of the image, but the
images remains the same shape and does not become a circle.

Maybe for these low sun markings, I could devise some sort of tilted little
screen that is positioned above the timeline that will be perpendicular to
the sun rays so that it would have a circular image. I'll have to think
about that.

John

John L. Carmichael Jr.
Sundial Sculptures
925 E. Foothills Dr.
Tucson Arizona 85718
USA

Tel: 520-696-1709
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: <http://www.sundialsculptures.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sundial List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Rob WM. Vugteveen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: Image Problem Solved!


> Problem solved!
>
> Mac Oglesby just solved the image ellipse problem that I had with the
> pinhole sharpener when the sun is low.  I had been holding my sharpener
> perpendicular to the sun's rays which produces an elongated image of an
> ellipse around sunrise and sunset.  He said that if I hold the sharpener
> parallel to the ground, that the image becomes round. I didn't believe him
> and thought it impossible, but both Edley and I just tested it and Mac's
> right! Although as Edley noted to me, the image is dimmer, but that's no
> problem.(Using some tilting of the planes because its midday here).
>
> Thanks Mac!
>
> John
>
> John L. Carmichael Jr.
> Sundial Sculptures
> 925 E. Foothills Dr.
> Tucson Arizona 85718
> USA
>
> Tel: 520-696-1709
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Website: <http://www.sundialsculptures.com>
>
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