Hi Fer:

I wouldn't call Harlem New York a modern society. I think it is an embarrassment.

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Nicola,

Thanks for your addition.
Your notes bring sense to a dial with lines radiating from the footpoint of a perpendicular gnomon
and they still exist in Italy.

On the other hand I didn't expect this in a more modern society as New York.

Best, Fer.

Fer J. de Vries

De Zonnewijzerkring
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http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl

Eindhoven, Netherlands
lat.  51:30 N      long.  5:30 E

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Dear Bob and Fer,

I have seen in Italy several sundials with the hour lines radiated from footpoint of the vertical gnomon. This are simple sundials made from simple people without gnomonic calculation, but only with the sun observation. The precisione is not high, but good for living in the little country of XVIII-XIXth century. I have seen several sundials in this mode on house and church in Italy. Also the italian diallists point out this dials like "pseudo-sundials", and not more time ago this was a long diatribe on the italian mailing list on this subject. But this simple sundials are not very rare in Italy and its are the testimoniance of measuring time of our simple people in the country.
Thanks to all and sorry for my bad english

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Bob, Nicola,

I also saw the "hourlines" on the sunny photograph of this dial but they didn't give sense to me. They radiate from the footpoint of the perpendicular gnomon on the wall, I guess, and to my opinion they are not (usual) hourlines.

I don't know the text by Nicola and ask to place that text on the sundial list so we all can learn Nicola's thoughts.


Best, Fer.

Fer J. de Vries

De Zonnewijzerkring
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl

Eindhoven, Netherlands
lat.  51:30 N      long.  5:30 E

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Terwilliger
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  Nicola and all,

Nicola, I did not notice the hourlines until you pointed them out. Thank you, this dial is beginning to make more sense.

I have put another page online with an edited version of Nicola's graphic with a statement and link about the dial's concept.

  http://sundials.org/test/york2.htm

  Bob


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