Yes, the radiating hour lines from the footpoint of vertical gnomon was the only simple method of the country people out of the great cityes. Here in Italy this sundials or "pseudo-sundials" are not rare on the houses of peasants. I think also in a great and modern society, if someone want a simple sundial without calculations, can track the hour lines on the wall with a vertical gnomon and seeing the way of the sun in the sky. It isn't a right way to do a sundial! But very much people used it. Ciao, Nicola
---------- Initial Header ----------- >From : "Robert Terwilliger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : "fer de vries" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc : "sundial" [email protected] Date : Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:20:15 -0400 Subject : RE: Is this a sundial... continued > Fer and Nicola, > > As we know, radiating hourlines are also found on ancient English "scratch > dials", but as Fer says one would not expect to find them on a modern dial. > > See the dial "embedded in the wall of Saint Gregory's church, Kirkdale, > North Yorkshire" below: > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fer de vries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:40 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: bobt; sundial > > Subject: Re: Is this a sundial... continued > > > > Nicola, > > > > Thanks for your addition. > > Your notes bring sense to a dial with lines radiating from > > the footpoint of a perpendicular gnomon and they still exist in Italy. > > > > On the other hand I didn't expect this in a more modern > > society as New York. > > > > Best, Fer. > > > > Fer J. de Vries > > > > De Zonnewijzerkring > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl > > > > Eindhoven, Netherlands > > lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "ferdevries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "bobt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sundial" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:29 AM > > Subject: Re: Is this a sundial... continued > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bob and Fer, > > > > > > I have seen in Italy several sundials with the hour lines > > radiated from > > > footpoint of the vertical gnomon. This are simple sundials > > made from > > > simple people without gnomonic calculation, but only with the sun > > > observation. The precisione is not high, but good for > > living in the little > > > country of XVIII-XIXth century. I have seen several > > sundials in this mode > > > on house and church in Italy. Also the italian diallists > > point out this > > > dials like "pseudo-sundials", and not more time ago this was a long > > > diatribe on the italian mailing list on this subject. But > > this simple > > > sundials are not very rare in Italy and its are the > > testimoniance of > > > measuring time of our simple people in the country. > > > Thanks to all and sorry for my bad english > > > > > > ---------- Initial Header ----------- > > > > > >>From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To : "Robert Terwilliger" > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Sundial Mailing > > > List" [email protected] > > > Cc : > > > Date : Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:09:51 +0200 > > > Subject : Re: Is this a sundial... continued > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bob, Nicola, > > >> > > >> I also saw the "hourlines" on the sunny photograph of > > this dial but they > > >> didn't give sense to me. > > >> They radiate from the footpoint of the perpendicular > > gnomon on the wall, > > >> I guess, and to my opinion they are not (usual) hourlines. > > >> > > >> I don't know the text by Nicola and ask to place that text > > on the sundial > > >> list so we all can learn Nicola's thoughts. > > >> > > >> > > >> Best, Fer. > > >> > > >> Fer J. de Vries > > >> > > >> De Zonnewijzerkring > > >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl > > >> > > >> Eindhoven, Netherlands > > >> lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Robert Terwilliger > > >> To: 'Sundial Mailing List' > > >> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:17 PM > > >> Subject: Is this a sundial... continued > > >> > > >> > > >> Nicola and all, > > >> > > >> Nicola, I did not notice the hourlines until you pointed > > them out. > > >> Thank you, this dial is beginning to make more sense. > > >> > > >> I have put another page online with an edited version of > > Nicola's > > >> graphic with a statement and link about the dial's concept. > > >> > > >> http://sundials.org/test/york2.htm > > >> > > >> Bob > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------- > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
