Dear Frank:

Don't feel bad about sending so many letters to the list.  I love hearing
from you and I'm sure others do as well.  It's always nice to hear the
thoughts of an educated person.  Please forgive me if I cc. my answer to
your letter to the sundial List. If you have questions, others might have
the same.

I think that Americans have the same misconceptions about porcelain too,
thinking that porcelain is just for dinnerware or insulators.  People don't
realize that it can also be fired onto metal (like a bathtub).  As I told
you at the conference, when it is applied to metal it becomes incredibly
strong. I could not believe it when the manufacturer struck a sample with a
hammer and it did not even crack!

You wrote:

"I am starting to settle on the two terms:

  1. high-temperature vitreous enameling (porcelain)

  2. low-temperature oven-baked enameling (powder coat)"

I think that your terminology adequately describes the two types of durable
enamel. (the third type of enamel is regular acrylic or oil artist paint
applied at room temperature which is not nearly as durable).

Just remember that powder coating always involves application by
electrostatic attraction.  The metal is charged with electricity using an
electrical clamp in a special room. (I don't know if it is positively or
negatively charged). The paint looks like dust and is oppositely charged so
that it is attracted to the metal. After the paint dust is applied, the
object is baked in an oven where the dust melts and briefly turns into a
liquid and then hardens onto the surface of the metal.  If two colors are
needed, then separate applications and bakings are required. The first color
must be covered with a stencil or masking tape so that it is not covered up
by the second color. So you can see why it is difficult to have more than
two colors using powder coat. I am sure that this explains why powder coated
clock and sundial faces only have two colors.

Porcelain glass dust (called "frit") is not applied by electrostatic
attraction.  It is applied either by hand or by silk-screening techniques.

Hope this clears things up.

John



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:34 AM
To: John Carmichael
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Porcelain Sundials

Dear John,

I write off-list this time, mostly because the list
has heard rather a lot from me recently!!

Your correspondence has been fascinating.  It has
taken a while to sort out the different techniques.
One reason is that U.S. terminology and English
terminologies are a little different.

As John Davis has mentioned to me: in England, we
think of "porcelain" as referring to tea cups and
high-voltage insulators, sometimes also to ornaments
made in Germany and elsewhere.

To English ears, the term "porcelain dial" sounds
as though it is made of ceramic, perhaps made up
from tiles.

The term "powder coating" is also new to me and I
have been trying to find terminology which would be
well understood to English manufacturers.  I think
the word "enamel" would be used for both kinds of
technology. 

I am starting to settle on the two terms:

  1. high-temperature vitreous enameling

  2. low-temperature oven-baked enameling

The first is definitely the more exciting and more
durable but limited in size.

The second is obviously much cheaper and you can bake
a whole car if you want to!

I was most interested in your detailed explanations
and, especially, that with oven-baked enameling one
is limited to two colours.  This might explain why
most clock dials are just one or two colours in
England.  The main colour is usually blue but I
attach a photograph showing a church clock with a
red dial.

This is S. Mary's Church, Penzance which is the most
southerly and most westerly Town of England which is
why you can see a Palm Tree in the foreground.

I send this to you not just because of the red dial
but because, just to the left of the dial, you can
see the top of a pole carrying power lines.  You
can clearly see the white insulators (one of these
is very close to the X for 10 o'clock).  This white
insulator is made of what we call porcelain!

You can see why the idea of a porcelain dial is a
little confusing to English diallists!!!

By the way, the X and the other Roman numerals are
almost certainly gold leaf.

Best wishes

Frank



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